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Old 16th Jun 2004, 22:11   #1 (permalink)
 
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Smile ATC Jobs In Europe/Worldwide

Hi all,

Does anyone have a list or any great knowledge of ATC providers worldwide who are actively recruiting UK ATCO's?? Or even any who would be willing to consider applications?

Salary details would also help if anyone knew of any!!
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 08:50   #2 (permalink)
 
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Depends heavily on what ratings you have valid?
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 15:18   #3 (permalink)
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If you were serious you'd be doing the research yourself, a quick telephone call to the ATSM at each unit you want to work at would answer your question.

Perhaps it's all too difficult.

1 out 10 for intiative.
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 19:48   #4 (permalink)
 
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Firstly niknak 10/10 for unhelpfulness. If I was interested in a job in Canada or Australia, do you really think it's possible to call EVERY airport and centre in these 2 countries to find out if they are recruiting? You'd be at retirement age before you got anywhere! Joe, as far as I know at the moment, Australia and New Zealand are not recruiting UK nationals. NAV CANADA are recruiting depending on ATC discipline and experience. If you have 3 or more years experience in an En-Route or TC environament, they will be interested in you, if not to hire you straight away, then definately to hire in the future. If your airport rated, then unless you're valid at a busy, complex airport (eg EGKK, EGLL, EGCC...) then you will have to wait until at least Spring 2005 before they will even consider you. USA don't recruit 'foreigners' at the moment, but that could well change with their retirement bubble looming. Eurocontrol and Swisscontrol might be worth a look, Spain is a no go unless you have a degree and speak fluent Spanish. Hope this is of use and let me know if you get anywhere! I wouldn't mind leaving this collapsing country soon either!
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 20:58   #5 (permalink)
 
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Not the first time nik-nak has been negative to someone trying to improve their lot in life....
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Old 18th Jun 2004, 11:27   #6 (permalink)
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Old 18th Jun 2004, 12:16   #7 (permalink)
 
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We could be recruiting

Vampy,

There are only two ATC service providers in Australia (Oz), Airservices Australia (AsA) and the RAAF. UK nationals can apply for both, but normal imigration rules apply, I think.

AsA runs every control tower and centre in Oz. A monoply. The RAAF look after the military airfields to a certain extent (usually just tower and approach).

AsA will take any sort of controller, tower, approach, en-route. In fact two Kiwi controllers have just started in Brisbane Centre, where I work. But remember, Kiwis and Aussies can work and live in either country without visas or changing nationality.

I work with one controller who used to work at Belfast, but married an Aussie girl. Another ATC from Belfast is now a supervisor in Melbourne Centre.

Yes, like most of the rest of the world, Oz is short of controllers, and it wouldn't hurt to get on-line with www.AirservicesAustralia.com to check out recruitment. Our union website, www.civilair.asn.au also can help out.

Give it a go. All us convicts can't be wrong. Deportation to a sunny clime with sandy beaches and blue skies......oh no!

PS. Me mums a kraut and my father's grandparents were all irish, so I'm not a convict, just a heinz variety aussie.
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Old 18th Jun 2004, 13:05   #8 (permalink)

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like most of the rest of the world, Oz is short of controllers
I don't get it. They need controllers, but they won't support an application for permanent residency. Catch22 if you ask me...

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Old 18th Jun 2004, 13:30   #9 (permalink)
 
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I don't get it. They need controllers, but they won't support an application for permanent residency. Catch22 if you ask me...
I agree with you there Spuds. Perhaps they should consider the Channel Islands policy of giving 5 or 10 year residency visas to people in essential or understaffed jobs? But I guess thats a different matter and well off topic.
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Old 18th Jun 2004, 14:27   #10 (permalink)
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Just don't forget the Nav Can gravy train may be making it's final stop very soon.

Joe, it might be worth having a look at the Serco website. They've got their fingers in a few pies here and there (but once again, NATS may be changing that in the Middle East if you believe the hype!)
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Old 20th Jun 2004, 14:30   #11 (permalink)
 
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Picking up on DirtyPierre's comments.

I looked into the possibilities of emigrating to OZ and working there as a controller several years ago. Catch 22 loop. I couldn't work for Airservices without a Visa and residency, which is approx 2 years - if memory serves correctly. There was no assistance at the time - which consequently there is with Nav Canada.

The rules may be changing. Worth enquiring; but be aware.

If you are considering New Zealand.... ALL their air traffic services are located in Christchurch South Island. Would you want to live there?

Decide where you would want to live........ then apply for the job.
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Old 21st Jun 2004, 14:20   #12 (permalink)
 
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What about working in France? Our licences are valid what about nationality and who would you apply to?
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Old 22nd Jun 2004, 07:20   #13 (permalink)
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hey dirty pierre,

i am married to an aussie girl and we are looking to come back to Oz later this year, or early next year. already have my permanent residency visa for Oz and applied on the AsA website a few months ago but haven't heard so much as a "bundy burp" from the recruitment people down there.

if what is said on the thread is true, ie: Oz is also short of controllers, do you have any ideas when the next ATC short course will be run or when you'll be taking people again?

thanks in advance.....
 
Old 22nd Jun 2004, 14:45   #14 (permalink)
 
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Hey, I don't come up with the stupid rules our Tory government has, but plenty of advice can be obtained from the civilair website and by contacting the union directly.

BTW, Christchurch is a beautiful place. Wouldn't knock it. And I'm an aussie.

Zue, HR in AsA work in HR time. They will get to you, but don't hold your breath. Apparently we're always recruiting, but the interviews and courses and such are at the discretion of HR.

At the moment we're running courses in our college in Melbourne almost continuously for the next 18 months to 3 years. So Zue, get onto HR by e-mail with a direct question as to what's happening. Civilair website has a thread in its forums on this topic.

Best of luck.

Jerricho, hows the weather. In Brissie we've had a couple of cold 5 degree mornings. Mind you, it gets back up to 20 by lunch time. blue sky weather and the VFRs are everywhere.

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Old 22nd Jun 2004, 15:52   #15 (permalink)
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hey DP,

I've been in touch with HR at Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne on numerous occasions and just keep getting the good old "we'll contact you when an appropriate position becomes available". I am dying to get down there but feel pretty frustrated at the lack of info HR has, or is willing to give as to when another ATC short course will be run.

Thanks for the tip about the Civilair site, will drop a line in there as well.

Will just keep at it, what else can I do?

Tks for the info anyways.......
 
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TS, don't hold your breath about working in France! I could be wrong, but I suspect that the other side of the Channel is about the only place in Europe where your shiny new ESAR-5 licence is NOT valid (and before Bookworm or somebody else puts me right, the licences are not strictly interchangable between states anyway).

Citizenship: remember, if you are an EU citizen (or an EFTA/EEA citizen) you have the right to live and work in any member state, although I'm sure the French will have found a way around that.
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Old 22nd Jun 2004, 18:44   #17 (permalink)

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Swisscontrol might be worth a try.

Eurocontrol is now concentrating on "ab initio" training as recent experience with the already trained was less than satisfactory.

The Dutch do not specify nationality but expect a good understanding of the language. I suspect that the French will be doing the same.

Don't know what excuse NATS will be using, the "No Johnny Foreigner" one is now unacceptable.
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Old 27th Jun 2004, 06:00   #18 (permalink)
 
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Danger ATC in the Middle East

I know that Serco is actively looking for people for the middle east. Abu Dhabi in particular. Must have Twr and App Radar ratings. The contract story is an old one but not something to worry about, .... I don't think. They wouldn't be recruiting controllers if they thought they were on the way out. I could point you to the right people if you are interested.

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Old 27th Jun 2004, 13:15   #19 (permalink)
 
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Two guys working in Brissie with me have just done telephone interviews with Serco for Abu Dahbi. More have applied.

Serco are definitely there to stay according to the Oz ATC rumours.

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Old 28th Jun 2004, 09:23   #20 (permalink)
 
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...1261 , you said : TS, don't hold your breath about working in France! I could be wrong, but I suspect that the other side of the Channel is about the only place in Europe where your shiny new ESAR-5 licence is NOT valid...

...Not valid, for the moment, but not forever...Just wait for a while...3 or 4 years maybe !!!!....
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