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FlyingForFun
23rd May 2003, 20:24
Having now bought myself a North of England chart in preparation for the Sherburn fly-in, I opened it, and was a little surprised to find that, despite FNG's warnings, there are no dragons marked on it anywhere.

What it does have, though, is lots of Advisory Routes. Well, maybe not lots, but certainly more than the South of England chart that I'm used to looking at.

I started looking a little bit closer... and found something I don't understand. Many of these routes (the ones to/from the Isle of Man are a great example) penetrate other Class D or Class A airspace.

So how does this work then? The airspace can't be both Class D and Class F at the same time. Am I being controlled if I fly along an Advisory Route inside a Class D zone? Does Class D temporarilly revert to Class F where the Route penetrates it? Do I need a radio to fly in this airspace?

Can't find any help in the AIP - the relevant pages (http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/pdf/enr/2030102.PDF) describe all of the routes, and confirm that they are Class F, but they don't mention the surrounding airspace.

Can anyone clear this one up for me?

FFF
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Warped Factor
24th May 2003, 00:52
FFF,

It's been a while since I worked in an area with advisory routes, but IIRC....

In the open FIR the advisory route is Class F and you'll be provided with a radar advisory service if the route lies within a radar advisory service area. RAS = IFR, though it may be possible to negotiate a RIS on an advisory route if you can't accept an IFR clearance. There's also the possibility of flying on an ADR with no radar service available, but we won't go down that road here.

Where the advisory route enters CAS (A or D) it ceases to exist as an advisory route and becomes just another ATS route within CAS, with the appropriate rules for flight in that type of airspace applying.

So if you're flying on an ADR and it enters Class A CAS, you need to be appropriately qualified to fly in Class A after the point at which the route crosses the CAS boundary. Same applies for Class D.

With an IMC rating only you could accept an IFR clearance on an ADR for the part that lies in the open FIR and if it penetrates Class D, but could not continue on the route from the point it enters Class A airspace.

Does that help?

WF.

FlyingForFun
24th May 2003, 19:53
WF - yes, that answers the question perfectly. Thanks!

FFF
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