CPL/IR = fATPL?

[P T Flea]

Can someone please explain to me once and for all which qualifications would lead to a fATPL.

As I understand it the ATPL ground school, CPL, IR & MCC lead to a fATPL.

Does one receive an additional piece of documentation confirming having a fATPL or is fATPL just a figure of speach (encapsulating all of the above).

Thanks for any help

PT
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[expedite_climb]

You understand correct. Although sometimes the mcc is done as part of your first type rating. You never used to have to have it for a fatpl.

No you dont get anything extra for having a fATPL - its a figure of speach.

[FlyingForFun]

Agree with expedite. There is no such thing, officially, as an fATPL, it's just a phrase we use to mean "all the licenses and ratings that we need to start applying for jobs". Whether it includes the MCC or not seems slightly open for debate, too.

FFF
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[Pilot Pete]

Not trying to be pedantic FFF but 'all the licences and ratings we require for applying for jobs' is not quite correct. One can apply for a 2 crew airline job as co-pilot with merely a CPL. No frozen ATPL is required (ie you could be one of the rare breed who only ever sat CPL exams and never sat the ATPL's), but in reality most airlines want you to have the ATPL exams so that they can put you in the left seat at some point.............

PP

[Tinstaafl]

A 'frozen' ATPL is a marketing term/shorthand for holding a UK (or JAR?) CPL + IR + ATPL exam passes. It means that you can apply for the issue of an ATPL once you've gained the required experience. An MCC is not specifically required **however** it has become difficult (but not impossible) to obtain the necessary experience without also having done an MCC due to the multi-crew experience requirements combined with initial type rating requirements.