JAR ATPL: what are the pass marks.

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I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what the pass marks are for the JAR ATPL. Here in Australia they are mainly 70% with airlaw being 80%. I heard a rumour that JAR negative mark: ie they take marks off you for getting things wrong - is this true?. Is there a limit on how many times you can fail an exam? What about rules like the one that we have here where you must pass all your subjects within a year of passing Air Law. Hope you guys and gals can shed some light on this stuff for me! :confused:

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I have just done them and they are different to the Australian ATPL. (I did that in 1995).
Groundschool is 650 hours. Reductions in this are possible, but very rare. (You must have a full ICAO ATPL for starters)
14 exams, all with a pass mark of 75%.
No negative marking.
After you have taking one exam (or 7, doesn't matter) you have 18 months to complete them all.
You can sit one paper 4 times only, you can visit the exam centre 6 times in total. (one sitting = the 4 days that the exams are run)
I sat 7 in July and 7 in October with passes in all.

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That sounds serious. Is the content as hard as they make it out to be here in Australia...i.e. "if you think this is hard wait till you go to the UK and do that one!!!"
Do they have anyone like Higgins over there :D ?

Did you sit the 650hrs.?..what about the crm and mcc courses.....?

Sounds like you are doing well - its good to hear from somebody that is actually doing it rather than just at my level (speculating).

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Yep, I did the 650 hour course. It's up to the training organisation to reduce the hours. As I have found, where do you cut? I think the only people that would have half a chance at surviving a cut would be either incredibly bright pilots and or ones who are currently flying the 737-400. 650 hours translates to 6 months btw.
Not strictly speaking, not many people actually teach all of the syllabus themselves. I am sure a few could but JAR regualations say that they can only teach something like 20 hours a week. There are some wizards out there though. Fortunately I found a few of them :D
Is it harder? The Australian Nav and Flight plannning (if it hasn't changed from '95) is much harder. I don't know if splitting up the exams has made it easier, all I know is that is was a mongrel to pass all of them at the same time...
With regards the rest of the syllabus, it isn't mega hard per se, it's just the sheer volume of stuff that you must remember that makes it difficult. From what I can gather, no syllabus is published as in the CASA one nor are the references quoted. So, finding where "they" got that "answer" from can bw tricky.

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Yeah I can't believe that you used to have to get all of them in one go - it must have been scary. I found agk and flight planning the hardest - though once fltpln clicked it was sort of easy and just came down to an time/accuracy thing. I'm going to keep building experience here and see how things go. The time and money is the real obstacle for me...AUD is a little silly really!
What is their air law like? Having done the Oz ATPL would have made things a little easier yeah..? And flying over there - is it totally different? It certainly looks to be about 4 times the cost!! :eek:

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I did my exams about 6-7 years ago.... The Aus ATPL prepares you in as much as you know how hard you have to work. Personally I found the Dash 8 groundschool and flying that animal far more useful.
The Airlaw here is not really like the Airlaw in Oz. Here we need to study the ICAO documents. Then of course, there is JAR Ops. Now you forget ICAO and concentrate on the various Jar documents.
BTW, I have summarised all I know re Oz to JAR stuff in Dunnunda. Grab a copy of it. :D