Jerez Headset Dilemma's

[blackknight]

Hi everyone just a basic question really, what headset do you get issued with at Jerez on the integrated course??? . .. .I already own my own set, a David Clark H20-10, which retails now for just shy of £300, if the set we get issued with is better I was going to sell these for some more spending money. But if the ones we get aren't as good then I will eventually sell those and keep my set... .. .BK

[AYR521]

Keep your headset and bring it to Jerez because they will not issue a personal one for you.You can borrow one set of Peltor when you go out flying but you have to return it when you come back.

[cabair16]

AYR..you should know better.. .. .All of the aircraft are equipped with a set of Peltor headsets.If you want to "back seat" then, yes, you can sign for a set from Ops. I do, however, agree with AYR, bring your own, they are much more comfortable and they translate the Spanish ATC much better.

[NorthernSky]

First, you are facing ONE dilemma.. .. .Secondly, if you were facing two, you would still be wrong because plurals don't take apostrophes!!!. .. ......and you want to be an airline pilot...?. .. .There are already enough people in the industry who can't spell. Please apply elsewhere.. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 01:06: Message edited by: NorthernSky ]</small>

[ImNot]

Keep your own head set you don't want to be using other peoples skanky old headgear. DC's work fine with Peltors. Always thought DC's were the headset of choice for every civillzed school. Don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't give you tuppence for a used headset. . .Put you energy's into worrying about other imortant things <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[BEagle]

Whilst some of you will probably have a go at 'Northern Sky' for the points he/she makes regarding good English, you might be interested to know that one of the reasons many organisations offering sponsorship schemes require written applications is to assess the educational quality of their applicants. In particular, verbal expression and reasoning are assessed as is an acceptable standard of English. Paradoxically, some of the worst applications are apparently submitted by those for whom English is their mother tongue. . .. .Apostrophe abuse, poor spelling and poorly constructed prose resulting from over reliance upon the 'Spelling and Grammar Check' available on a PC will be clear to anyone assessing hand-written prose. Those who use 'i' instead of 'I' or who use other 'yoofspeak txtmsg' conventions (if that isn't an oxymoron) would probably have their application filed in the rubbish bin.. .. .Returning to the subject, I would agree that the connoisseur’s headset of choice is the David Clark 13.4. I’ve used one for about the last 10 years and it has proved to be 100% reliable.. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 06:58: Message edited by: BEagle ]</small>

[SkyGuy]

Norfern Skie i wont too bee a pilot do yo fink i kan do it. I am verry intelijent and i no how too reed and right. Do you fink i amm gud enuff for britishh arways.. .Get a life !! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />

[Dimitri]

i speekeee eeeeeenglisssshhhhhh better den u. i get licence from russia for 15,000 of english pounds from transport government. i now pilot. one day i go in plane, then i speeeekeee english

[somewhatconcerned]

NorthernSky/BEagle. I strongly suggest you do a search on this forum on 'spelling and grammar police' and 'informal forum'. We are all here to ask questions and give advice quickly and efficiently. If the odd spelling mistake, punctution error or local phraseiolagy appears please do not get 'bent out of shape' over it. Know one is deliberately trying to upset you.. .I personaly have fantastic hand writting but limited literary skills so if and when I have to hand write a covering letter I will be consulting friends of mine who will help.. .I know this may go against the spirit of things but believe that a little bit of lateral thinking, initiative and common sense will go much further in an industry such as this compared to having the ability to write a colomn in the Times.. .. .Blackknight...nout wrong with Clarkes, shared head sets come fully installed with germs, sweat and odour. If I were you I'd stick with what you got.

[BEagle]

My comments regarding correct English were not meant as a criticism of the the original post, but were intended to let people know that certain organisations who offer sponsorship attach considerable significance to verbal reasoning and the ability to express oneself clearly in hand-written prose.. .. .But that doesn't mean to say that you have to go to such lengths when posting on PPRuNe - you can express your opinions in any style you wish as far as most folk are concerned!. .. .DCs are still my first choice for headsets!!. . . . <small>[ 20 March 2002, 00:18: Message edited by: BEagle ]</small>

[DB6]

1) Text messaging abbreviations are bollocks and make you like like a tosser (to use the vernacular).. .2) I found that a headset extension lead was handy so you don't have to crane forward between the seats all the time. They have listen only plugs in the back and a lot of it in the airways is just R/T so you can sit back and relax/look at plates etc.

[ImNot]

Maybe we could ask Danny for a spelling,grammar and diction forum on the 'new PPRUNE'.

[somewhatconcerned]

NorthernSky, you're not Blackknights mum are you?. .. .BEagle point taken and noted. You did however shoot off on a rather extreme tanget even if it was prompted by BlackKnights mother.

[micheal]

For the record, it should read. .. ."Jerez's headset dilemma" . .. .One must always speak the Queen's English. . .. .Seriously, is anyone using BOSE or Seinheiser headsets? . .Better, worse or the same as "Dave clarke". .......sorry "David Clarke". .Excuse me!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

[BEagle]

It might have seemed like an extreme tangent (although that's a geometrical concept with which I'm unfamiliar) - it's just that I do some voluntary work with a well-respected organisation which both offers sponsorship to a lucky few and conducts aptitude testing and one thing which totally astonished me was a comment made in committee concerning the poor standards of written English exhibited by many applicants. It really does matter, chaps, chapesses and chapthings! Please accept this advice - it might just help you with your future aspirations!. .. .DC 13.4 every time!!

[AH64 APACHE]

On the track of the original thread - I have borrowed someone´s Bose and it is fantastic - completely cut´s out the background and is almost incredibly comfortable even in the heat. BUT it is also apparently 800 squid which seems to me an enormous amount of money.. .How should a student go about selecting the type of headset they want to use. I have not seen too much on PPrune about this but it seems to me to be a critical thing - with lots of people going to be doing over three or four hundred hours in pistons - protection of the ears seem to be majorly important. How does a student flicking through a mail order mag make a choice - price, sound reduction - any tips anyone?. .. .On a similar thread are there websites with reports on what kind of noise certain aircraft make, i.e. Warrior or Archer. Do manufacturers have to do decibel tests inside as well as outside? Should students be worried about the cheaper end of the market regarding headsets?. .What kind of protection does something like the peltor give? Are there any independant people who test the products?. .Cheers for any info?. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Speaking from an instructors experience - as a students DO NOT buy noise canceling headsets. You lose an entire channel of information if you do.. .. .For example during a stalling exercise after a little while you can fly the aircraft to the buffet nibble largely on your ear (sounds mildly kinky I know). A PFL glide speed can be gauged to +-5kts on wind rush alone whilst eyes stay out of cockpit.. etc. etc.. .. .The Peltors at Jerez are OK, not the best and not the worst. If you are going to have your own set then I commend David Clark 13.4's. I have has students use them with me and they cause no problems in the Jerez aircraft. The only thing to watch is that if you leave them in the sun (easy enough in Andalucia) with black gel seals and then pop them on your head... fill in the rest with sudden screaming!. .. .These days I am using a custom moulded earpiece (no headband required) on a Plantronics mini boom mic that all in weighs 3.5 grams and very nice it is too at £210 a go. But I still like my DC's and in fact they are very good plugged into the hi-fi for when I get back from work at 3 a.m. need to PPRuNe and relax to some music whilst not waking Miss Welshman. DC 13.4's regularly appear on second hand For Sale aviation forums.... .. .WWW. .. .ps Spelling and grammar rules you make yourself on this forum. Its not a job application BUT it is good practice for one. SMS style text message prose IS NOT WELCOME purely for my own despotic hatred of it. L8tr ppl. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[redsnail]

I have had my trusty ol' DC10-20's since 1987. For more comfort I use Gel seals + a cloth cover. The covers are washable and are a very good idea for warmish conditions.. .I have about 3300 hours in piston a/c including the horrendously noisy Islander and I have no appreciable hearing loss (apart from aging etc). To further reduce the noise I have also used ear plugs with the head set. Works a treat, shouldn't need it though when in a cherokee/C152 etc.. .Are they tough? You bet they are. I wouldn't use any thing else. My hearing is too valuable.

[SkyGuy]

Erm, What did you say redsnail! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[redsnail]

Sky guy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .Yeah it can be like that. Never fail to hear an offer to buy me a drink though.. .The company that had the islanders supplied us with Telex active noise cancelling head sets. (A cheap model). They were rubbish. The fit was poor and they still let in a fair bit of noise. It was very fatiguing after 4-5 hours. So I started to wear ear plugs with the head sets. Then I figured I may as well use the trusty Dave Clarks if I was going to use ear plugs too.. .After a while, every one started doing that + knocking off the David Clarks from the Reims 406 and Dash 8. The company ended up getting rid of the Telex's and fitting out the piston fleet (Islanders + a Shrike) with David Clarks. I think they went for either 13.4's or 10-30's. I can't remember.. .I usually use my own or at least use my own cloth covers as it reduces the chance of passing germs etc. I have used them for 13-14 years in a variety of environments. I have dropped them, kicked them and generally given them a hard time.. .I use David Clarks as they are solid, repairable and trustworthy. Well worth the money. Like sunnies, buy the best you can afford. Hearing and vision are vital to our profession.