CTC - THE PLACE TO BE !

[Constant Speed DU]

Thought I'd put something on prune as I managed to land a job with Easyjet on Friday.. .. .I did the AQC course in February and now have a job. Yes, the course might be expensive (I had to take out a third loan to do it) but it is fantastic. The groundschool and sim instructors are the best I have been taught by and really want you to get the most out of it. It is bloody hard work but well worth it!. .. .If anyone is even thinking of doing an MCC course, do it with CTC! You might aswell spend a bit more money and have at least a chance of getting a jet job, especially in these frustrating times.. .. .I myself only have 250 hrs.

[cleared24right]

Hey WELL DONE!,. .. . I myself will be definately trying CTC, I knew about it a while ago as i went to a talk on how the scheme is run, i take it your not getting paid a such by the airline but you do get an allowance right? I'm sure your over the moon, i know i would be, and with only 250hrs as well. EXCELLENT truely EXCELLENT, there is hope for us all yet!!!. .. .Can you put a bit of background down about yourself, i.e where ou trained etc... .. .Keep us posted on how things go!

[tailscrape]

Well done Constant speed DU,. .. .Glad to hear you succeeded.. .. .Take it you are not joining Britannia now then?

[Constant Speed DU]

Cheers guys! . .. .Tailscrape, I won't be holding out for Britannia as I heard that recruitment will not be starting until the end of this year at the earliest. I even got a job with BAL down the back of the planes and they still couldn't tell me anything about poosible pilot rec.. .. .Cheers again guys!

[Slim20]

I can only agree 110% with CSDU. Don't care what anyone says - for about the same price as an instructor rating I landed a 1st time job RHS in a jet with a major operator through CTC. They are the nuts and no mistake.. .. .I had 250 hours too. i can't believe they are stuck for applicants in the current climate.

[MorningGlory]

Wow, WELL DONE!. .. .Hope you have a great time on the 737, this is inspirational to us all!. .. .I can only hope that I will reap the same results after training with CTC very soon!

[foghorn]

Congratulations CSDU!. .. .Out of interest, did you get Easyjet job by a combination of luck and your CV with the AQC on it, or were you tipped by CTC to the airline from your performance on the course?. .. .cheers!. .foggy.

[Skyjob]

Congratulations CSDU, maybe this posting of yours will prove once again that CTC is actually delivering its promises.. .. .Let us know where you'll be bsaed, and who knows I'll see you in one of our bases soon!. .. .(ex-CTC, 161 hrs RHS easyJet)

[angrycat]

Welcome to the big easy. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do . Good luck at CTC and enjoy the training which is v good.

[Irish Flyer]

Congratulations on an excellent achievment. I'm sure the view is going to be alot better from up there!

[jocko0102]

Forgive my ignorance who are CTC.And congrats mate on 250 hours thats the DOGS DANGLY BITS!

[David Balchin]

Yes Very good erm.... (sorry for being thick but). .how the XXXX are CTC ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> and what course. .did you / he do (any body)? . .Fankx

[monkeyboy]

I want to post the URL to the CTC website but I'm afraid that Scroggs or WWW might class it as advertising.. .. .Someone else have the guts to do it!. .. .MB <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[zero-lash valve lifter]

Lokked at their web-site. Ref the AQC course, are you obliged to apply for the ATP scheme or can you go for the AQC course and then move on to the ATP scheme after successful complettion?. .Also the job with easy, was that a result of the ATP scheme or direct from the AQC course?. .cheers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />

[regor]

As I understand it, if you want to apply to join CTC's ATP scheme, then you must pay for their AQC course as the first step.. .. .Successful completion of the AQC, and selection procedures for the ATP scheme then allow you to be placed into a 'pool' of pilots. CTC then approach airlines with specific requirements and will place pilots from the pool, with the client airlines. . .. .I believe that a bond is payable at this stage, but I do not know how much it is, or what the conditions are.. .. .easyJet's web site states that CTC currently carry out their 737-300 conversion training,so they will probably have some influence to place some of their pilots with easyJet!. .. .I stand to be corrected on any of the above!

[Slim20]

Red. .. .The AQC can actually be the last step in the selection process, but there is nothing to stop you doing it first, and then applying to go on the ATP scheme.. .. .It is by miles the best option for an MCC qualification for anyone who needs to get it.. .. .There is no bond payable by the candidate, as long as you don't leave the scheme before you have finished your placement with a partner airline. Right now there a re a load of cadets doing 757 and 737 ratings RIGHT NOW. Both myself and CSDU got a job last week with easyJet after just 5 weeks in the hold pool. Now that's MAGIC!!

[jocko0102]

OK without making it like an ad what does CTC stand for and could someone at least point me in the right direction to find out about them.

[regor]

There are various theories about what CTC stands for, but the most popular seems to be 'Crew Training Centre'.. .. .The company name is actually 'CTC Aviation Group plc'.. .. .If the following link is missing to their website, then I guess the moderators have edited my reply.. .. .<a href="http://www.ctcaviation.com" target="_blank">www.ctcaviation.com</a>. .. .The banner at the top of pprune does sometimes display an advert for one of their courses, which should link to their website as well.. .. .I have heard they have an excellent bar!!. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 18:03: Message edited by: Red Demon ]</small>

[captainkilner]

Congratulations to those who have been placed with an airline (you lucky ******s ). .. .Correct me if i'm wrong !!. .. .If upon completion you get placed with an airline does it not say somewhere that you don't actually get paid for the 8 months during your training and placement with an airline.. .. .It says you get the normal expenses that an airline would pay and they try for a subsistence payment from the airline (between £4-£6000 over the 8 months ) but not guarenteed. . .. .did any of you guy's receive any of this and what money was paid to you whilst training ? reasons for asking are that with a career development loan hanging over your head at £300/month not earning something wouldn't be an option although i'd find the money from somewhere cause i'd have a placement with an airline !!!! . .. .Good luck guy's !!!. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 23:00: Message edited by: Captain.K ]</small>

[HomerSimpson]

Congratulations to all those that have just landed jobs with easyJet. . .. .I have been invited to CTC for the second phase selection in the not too distant future. I have already done an MCC course, and Im thinking of the AQC too. If CSDU or Tangible Frangible could email me regarding the course, it would be appreciated.. .. .Thanks. .Homer

[Polar_stereographic]

Good luck to all who go there, unfortunately not an option for those oldies like myself.. .. .Can someone tell me if all the jobs are going to the low costs, or are they going to other players too. The reason I ask is that it could be a sign that things are starting to move on the recruitment front.. .. .PS. . . . <small>[ 19 March 2002, 07:37: Message edited by: Polar_stereographic ]</small>

[Constant Speed DU]

Thanx for the replies! If anyone needs any info with regards to the course, call 02380844000. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[DeeTee]

Good grief. I've never seen a CTC thread run this long without a slagging ever!! . .. .Anyway, just to answer the most common question ....Dosh. I went through the CTC (or ATP as it then was) scheme a couple of years ago. I have been flying RHS medium jets for 2 and a bit years now through them. What you get paid is upto the airline which takes you. Generally its a minimum of £600 per month (or it was 2 years ago) plus any flight allowances normally paid. However, my 'sponsor' company didn't arse about with that (and quite a few think like my company does). They took me on on full pay from day one.. .. .Also...what no one has mentioned...maybe cos its a secret I don't know. Your training does not finish on placement. CTC keep a close eye on you for 6 months, and require regular updates on your progress. At the end of each year, all CTC 'cadets' who have been placed in that year get invited back for an all paid for slap up dinner (even the hotel is included). And the 3 cadets who did the best get a wedge of dosh as a prize (I think it was £12k for the first prize and a little bit less for the next two).. .. .Anyway. I am over 2 years into my job. I started flying RHS in a jet with 250 hours. I just unfroze my ATPL recently, and in 1600 hrs of flying I have 1300 hours on jets.. .. .And yep, I do need to see a plastic surgeon to get the grin removed from my face.. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

The CTC scheme is good. I don't know anyone from either end of the industry that has a bad word to say about it.. .. .I never applied myself but would commend it to anyone who can.. .. .WWW

[cleared24right]

I know that CTC have been bonded to EJ to take 2 pilots a month for the next 3-4 years minimum, and have been since the start of this year!

[more of that later]

Well done that man, and may I also blow sunshine up the proverbial of CTC (stood for Chief Training Captain apparently, now Crew Training Centre - and that's from the horses mouth, JW).. .. .My experience of the scheme was prior to the AQC. I did my MCC there in Jan 2001 (when Cabair used to contract them), and then applied for the ATP scheme during my course. Went through the various tests, in the pool for 3 days and then started a 757 course for Air2bob. I was paid an allowance of 800 quid by CTC, plus my flight pay on top made that up to around 1100 quid. There was a bond, but only if you left prior to the six months or didn't take the offer of a pemanent job from the airline at the end of the period. I was surplus to requirements at the end of my detail (thanks to Osama and buddies), but had 450hrs on a jet, and a type rating. I had initially 300hrs from an integrated course.. .. .I can only second what has been said about the people at CTC, all first class and genuinely concerned about your progression and training. After I was laid off they pulled the strings and got me to an eJ recruitment workshop in December. I am mid-way through my line training at the moment, and thoroughly enjoying the orange life.. .. .If you are successful then it is obviously worth it. If you are unfortunate with the selection, the MCC/AQC is the best available and will stand you in good stead else where.. .. .Now when am I getting that cheque SB??. .. .MOTL. .. .PS: Tangi Fragi and CSDU, pls email me with your details and base, and welcome.. .. [email protected]

[ElNino]

If this CTC AQC course was done, would it be possible to have it signed off as an IR renewal? Or is that too easy a solution to the renewal problem?!

[Mister Geezer]

Are CTC still accepting applications for the ATP scheme despite the lack of recruiting that is going on at the moment? If applicants are still being accepted, do they have to spend some time in the hold pool before getting selected?

Also I noticed that you do a MCC course with them, so do you disqualify yourself if you have already done a MCC course?

Any info would be appreciated.

MG

[The Greaser]

I sent them my application almost three weeks ago now - and have not had a reply as yet. Maybe time to give them a call I suspect.

[tailscrape]

Guys,

A word of advice. I believe that CTC take every application very seriously, and review all applications before responding to you.

This does not happen overnight.

In my case, in late 1999 I applied to CTC. I heard nothing for about 6 weeks. I rang. They called back and invited me for assessment. That was due to happen in about 3 weeks.

N.B. The next part has changed somewhat (as there was no AQC course back then).

I went to selection on a Wednesday. I passed.

I had my sim the next day.

CTC called me the next morning to say I had passed and that I was in the pool. This was the end of November.

I was offered a 757 course with an airline with green tails on January 4th 2000. I still fly for them.


My best advice is let things take their course. Don't hack them off at CTC by being too pushy. They have a lot of applications. And I believe they are still placing cadets.

Excellent scheme, lovely people. Worth getting on if you can.

Good luck.

[The Greaser]

tailscrape

Cheers for that encouraging reply, good luck to you.

[prob30]

does anyone know how much the course is...about £8K??
Also, once on it do they definitely find you a job?

[more of that later]

El Nino,

Probably not as the courses are done on the fixed base 737 and therefore are multi-pilot. There is talk of CTC doing renewals on it's King Air sim.

[Tosh McCaber]

After having completed the Integrated ATPL course, with MCC, at a recognised Flying College, what qualities are CTC looking for? That is, are they only looking at the top few from ATPL courses? Anyone know how their selections are made?

[Grandad Flyer]

Tosh, I think you will find that a) you don't need to have done an Integrated Course, and b) you don't have to have been "top of the class". You DO need a frozen ATPL, IR, etc. They select the person. The applicants vary hugely in experience, from people straight out of Integrated Courses to those who did the old self improver route and have a thousand + hours.
Check out the CTC website for all the latest info.

As for CTC and what it means, I'm sure someone told me it was because it was Chris Clarke's initials. I can't remember what the T is for though, again, sure I was told a while back.

[Dutchie]

Dear Prob30

1) look on their website

2) Nobody will give you a job, they will however increase the change that you will be noticed by some airlines they work with. If you make the grade that is.:o

[Irish Flyer]

For those of you who have undergone the CTC course, do you believe it would be more beneficial to spend the money on this course rather than do a Flight Instructor course for slightly less money?

[tailscrape]

Irish Flyer,

If you apply to CTC and get offered a place on the AQC course, you will most likely get a jet job thru them (if you do not f?ck up your type conversion) within a year.

If you apply and do not get in to the AQC course, it will have cost you nothing. It will have given you FREE group tests and interview practice!!

If you get an instructor's rating, will it almost guarantee you a jet job inside a year? I have to say I doubt it very much at the minute.

FYI, I have just landed back into Manchester on a wet runway, with a nice crosswind. But the sun was beautiful at nightfall, and the 757 (which CTC helped me to get into) is a good girl.

It is all about personal opinion, but I think in my case CTC is a rather large winner over trawling around in a 152.

I do not mean to sound arrogant, but it is a straight choice. Give it a go. What is the worst that could happen?? A 737 with easyjet :) Only kidding orange folk!! :)

Isn't there an expression? "Luck of the Irish......"

[pjdj777]

Just to clarify, as someone who left the CTC scheme for another offer.

The AQC course alone will not get you a jet job, there is still a sim ride to take at the end of the course and I know of several guys who've paid out the £6k plus for the AQC course and then failed the sim ride.

I think it needs to be clear that getting to the AQC stage does not guarantee success.

Having said that, I thoroughly enjoyed the selection with CTC and was considering doing the AQC until my current gig came about.

Worthwhile doing for the interview and exam practice alone.