Malgus Result

[Finchy]

Hi to all those who attended the first stage of the malgus sponsorship scheme. . .. .I e-mailed the support team to ask if they could give a rough indication of when I would receive my results. By return e-mail I was notified of my result in what I consider an extremely unproffessional manner! . .. .I was advised in this correspondance that all candidates should hear within the next week, by letter, confirming their position within the scheme.. .. .Just wondered if any one else has an answer from them yet, whether by e-mail or snail mail.

[mnpala]

I received a reply yesterday by post telling me that I haven't made it to stage 2.. .. .I took my aptitude test on 23rd February. Anyone who took their test the week after may need to wait another week.. .. .Has anyone on this forum made it to stage 2 ?

[Finchy]

Congratulations to those of you have got through. The very best of luck to you in the remaining stages.

[rossco18_uk]

HI there,. .Just thought I'd say that I got through to Stage 2 also. I got the letter yesterday congratulating me. I can't believe it as this is where i failed with BA - the aptitude tests. I am over the moon I got through. I wonder how many people applied in the 1st place and how many people got through to the 2nd stage. Does anyone have any idea what is involved in the 2nd stage? Is it an interview?. .. .Cheers. .. .Ross

[mnpala]

Am I really the only person who didn't make it through to stage 2 ?. .. .I found it a kick in the teeth to fail on the first stage. I thought I'd at least make it to stage 2, especially due to the fact there wasn't an "automatic failure rate" i.e. if everyone was good enough, then everyone would make it through to stage 2.. .. .Maybe I've got the IQ of a house plant.

[stephenb]

I got a letter telling me I had got through the 1st round.. .Has anyone else noticed that the Malgus website FAQ (22) now states that, should you be selected you will have to pay them back half the training costs? Does anyone know when this was added?

[Finchy]

mnpala,. .. .Have you not read the initial posting on this thread?..Err that suggests I didn't either!!!. .. .Excusing the sarcasm - don't worry about it. There will be more opportunities in the coming future.

[Finchy]

steppenwolfe,. .. .I have just taken a look on the malgus website and I see your point about the change in the FAQ's. Surely thay cannot do this!! I can see that they have changed the wording slightly to make it look as if the £147 has always solely been just for the application process. They have always up until now advertised the scheme as a "100% sponsorship with no repayments". .. .Those who applied, including myself, were misled in this case and they have changed their requirements during the application process. Is this legal? . .. .I am pretty p****d off for wasting a good £147 on such a rip off scheme (so it seems). I did not get through to the second stage.. .. .This is what they wote in my e-mail dated 11/03/2002:. .. ."I regret to advise that you were not successful in the stage 1 and will not. .be going through to stage 2.. .A formal letter will be sent to you this week advising you of the position.. .I can advise that you were not even a marginal candidate.. .DRC". .. .I still have not recieved such a letter!!. .. ."Not even a marginal candidate" - well I have been told following airline applications and tests that I certainly do have the aptitude to train as an airline pilot, however I DIDN'T QUITE MEET the standards on those occassions. How that makes me not even a marginal candidate I do not know!! Must be looking Newton or Einstein IQ'd people!. .. .Once again good luck to those that are successful. I wonder how many more changes will be made before you get put on a course??????????. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 23:24: Message edited by: Finchy ]</small>

[rossco18_uk]

HI there,. .I just read all the posts after mine. I read the Malgus website the other day and have too noticed they have changed there terms and conditions i.e. you must oay back 50% over 5 years of the training costs. When I paid the 147, and also all of you, you agreed to their terms and conditions. They stated that should you be selected then they will pay for 100% of the training. Nowhere did it state that you had to pay back 50% of the costs once completed. Therefore, I believe that they are in breach of their contract and hence for those of you who did no get through to Stage 2, I suggest you contact them with regards to getting your 147 back. Personally, I am just going to continue as I am only paying back 50% but at least they are paying the other 50%. Anyway good luck to all of those going to Stage 2. I think its on the 21st April in Birmingham, but don't quote me on it. I emailed them and this is what they told me.. .. .Speak to you guys later,. .. .Ross

[Gin Slinger]

flakier and flakier...

[Bloody long way down]

Well done and good luck to all of those who have got through to stage two! After reading FAQ22 on their website I could not believe it! However I am assuming that this rule will only apply to candidates on their second course and not those on the present selection courses. If I am wrong and this does apply to all candidates and you now feel that this is not what you would have applied for then, I see no reason why anyone with these feelings should not try to get a refund.. .. .The biggest part in everyones favour is that the Terms and Conditions were changed after the payments and applications were recieved therefore everyone was lead on by false pretences (False Advertising) I am sure Trading Standards would like to hear that.. .. .Like I say if this is the case then I know of at least one person who will be writing a complaint to them asking for a full refund.. .. .I guess the previous topics on this subject had many truths to them.. .. .Good luck to you all!!!

[Polar_stereographic]

Chaps,. .. .The blunt truth is that it's time to cut your losses. So a search on the subject in here and you'll see what I mean. Get the proverbial barge poll out.. .. .PS

[InFinRetirement]

Oh dear oh dear! Rossco may have it right. They may be in breach of contract but it depends on what YOU signed at the time. If you assumed that the terms were still the same, and they were not - it is down to you. If they have changed them since and want 50% of the costs just keep well away - that is around £30,000! NOT what they offered in the first place is it?. .. .You can search back to see the original Malgus offer. There were plenty of people, including me, saying it was not worth what it looked like it was worth. It proposed getting a lot of people handing over £147. A £100 of which, according to their terms, went to Malgus for 'expenses'. That gave THEM a lot of money for 'expenses'.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

!. .. .WWW

[distaff_beancounter]

Well folks .... I think that I will stick to the National Lottery, the odds on winning £60,000 seem much the same as for Malgus, BUT it does does not expect you to repay 50% of the winnings!. .. .I will offer the proverbial "FREE" lunch to any disappointed Malgus applicants ... .PS I expect you to repay me 50% of the restaurant tab <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[flite idol]

I`ve got an aptitude test for those willing to apply for this kind of scheme; re-arrange the following letters to find an appropriate two word phrase, SMAC TARTIS. (Answers on a twenty quid note to the following address).

[Manee]

hey u lot i too got thru to stage 2.. .. .whoohoo!!!!!. .still trying to preapre myself 4 it, any ideas.?. .about this petty 50%clawback, its not a major thing.. .at the end of this makes the whole sponsorship feel more likely/feasable.. .i really think the practice is worth the cash 4 the tests, and hey i jus wana b a pilot, if they want half the training costs i'll giv em it plus a coke and a smile!!!!!!. .i jus wana b a pilot, i can handle a reduced salary for 5 yrs. it'll give me time to build up experience and , boy, i tell u wen that 5yr line hits hoo-ever passes will be looking forward to a hefty pay-rise! haha, u'll apreciate it more!. .. .mayb i'll c some of you at stage2.. .mail me on . [email protected], if you can help me prepare 4 stage2.. .thanx peep, good luk to u all, we'll all get there, its just a question of wen!

[Gin Slinger]

Manee - what a 'txt-astic' post!. .. .All: this isn't an implied criticism, more of a query really, but is the average age of those PPRuNers here undertaking the Malgus selection program somewhat lower than the average Wannabe?. . . . <small>[ 19 March 2002, 21:21: Message edited by: Gin Slinger ]</small>

[AMEX]

Fishy

[Manee]

malgus applicants may be younger because, the age criteria allows 17y.o(and up) to apply.. .however, most people in my batch, and the following group, seemed fairly old. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> for arguments sake <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> .......how old are you lot?. .i'm 19. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

[GonvilleBromhead]

Manee I don't doubt your enthusiasm in reaching your ultimate goal, but are you serious when you effectively say it adds a touch more realism to the process by now asking for the 'clawback' ???. .. .Adds more realism to the possibility of getting fleeced further down the line more like !! Sorry not fleeced, charged administrative costs.. .. .And it's no big deal ?!?. .. .Hmmm..... .. .Polar, d'ya wanna go into business partnership selling barge poles ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . .. .I don't mean to dampen enthusiasm for anyone going for this "scheme", and good luck to you all, but I think it's all been said before !

[distaff_beancounter]

Gin Slinger - I agree with you.. .. .From reading the posters' profiles, I would guess that the average age of the MALGUS-sceptics is about twice that of the MALGUS-fans.. .. .And we all know, that teenagers NEVER listen to any advice from their elders, however well meant <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

[Busta Level]

Funny eh? I seem to remember being flamed for criticising the Malgus scheme when it first appeared - along the lines of 'you don't get something for nothing'.. .. .Surprise, surprise - it's true.. .. .Another case of a hit 'em and run scam? How long will it be until they change the terms to make you pay ALL the money back? After you have started the training?. .. .If you have paid £147, and they have then changed the terms of the 'sponsorship', you have every right to fight to get it back. You paid the money 'in good faith'. They did not make it clear that it was for the interview process alone. It was supposed to be a FULL sponsorship, was it not?. .. .I'm not a legal eagle (clearly) but I know there are a few about this site. It will be interesting to see what they have to say about this.. .. .£147 is a lot of money when you are suffering the financial hardships that becoming a pilot puts you through.... It is even more galling when you get 'taken for a ride' by schemes making someone else a great deal of money.. .. .I sincerely hope that all of you get your money back.

[TraineePilot01]

I was one of the first people to apply when Malgus set up the scheme last year for the November session, before it was cancelled. I then re-applied for the February one but was put off by rumours about trading standards being involved in the scheme. . .. .I have supported Malgus a lot since November, fighting criticism, but if you really do have to pay 50% back of the cost of the training, I think it is very, very cheeky of them to do that, not to mention illegal. It is not illegal, however, if their re-written FAQ only applies to those candidates who are applying for any other scheme Malgus runs after this first one. If this is not the case, and it applies to those who have passed/not passed stage one and paid the £147, then you are entitled to claim back your money. Obviously if you have got to stage 2 you will drop out of the course and claim your money back, and maybe expenses too if it's cost you to get to where you had to go to take the tests. Obviously you can't claim your money back and stay on the the selection process. You will have to drop out and claim it back. You have every right to do this. Contact your lawyer, they will sort if out for you if Malgus don't comply.

[Sir Algernon Scruggs]

Unfortunately those overenthusiastic teenagers who have reached stage two and don't mind the 'change' to the terms and conditions of the scam.. err, sorry I mean scheme, and misguidedly believe that paying back the £30,000 over five years if they get through the lottery is a good thing will have a very rude awakening. Unfortunately, if they believe that and have made it through to the next stage then the selection system is obviously flawed.. .. .To try and make these young whippersnappers understand the error of their thought processes is, unfortunately, an almost impossible task but they do not seem to realise that once they have finished their training and they hold their shiny new frozen ATPLs they will then join the numerous other wannabes who will be searching for that always elusive first flying job. Manee above has shown above that the joy of getting through to the second stage has clouded his prepubescent enthusiasm by reverting to typing his replies here in sms-text format. Remember that this is a lottery. Someone did the calculations a while ago and only one person in about 450 who paid for this will get through and you have to make sure that it is not rigged in any way so that a 'friend of a friend of the family' is the lucky winner if you get my drift.. .. .Remember, £30K to pay back over 5 years, even without interest is £500 a month. I think Manee is assuming he will 'fall' into a shiny jet job as soon as he has his blue book and 180 hours. Still, you can't tell these young'uns anything. More money than sense. If it means not getting a new pair of trainers then I suppose it is worth it. Shame about the 'maturity' that is needed to get through the airline interview, assuming they will even be offered one!. .. .Caveat Emptor! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

[Gin Slinger]

Manee – Gin Slinger is 25 years old and has been around the block enough time to be a cynic by disposition.. .. .Your time will come - it does to us all, particularly to do with most things aviation <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 20 March 2002, 17:43: Message edited by: Gin Slinger ]</small>

[Finchy]

FREDA,. .. .Unless I have very sensitive hearing to hear what was being said at Luton no-one told me at the tests day in GLASGOW that they will be charging 50% of costs for future schemes!!!. .. .Did they decide on these changes in between tests dates at Glasgow and Luton?. .. .Malgus have every applicants e-mail address. How about some "communication" to let people know exactly what's going on. Would certainly prevent all this bad publicity if legit!!!. .. .Why not put on the FAQ's page "excluding applicants for the scheme attending Glasgow 8/9 Feb and Luton 22 Feb"?. .. .Not hard I don't think to save all this slagging off of their company.

[mnpala]

I have just looked on the Malgus web site, and this 50% clause seems to have disappeared. Its back to saying 100% sponsorship.. .. .It doesn't matter to me now as I've turned my back on aviation.

[TraineePilot01]

As of today (21/03/02):. .. ."FAQ 22&gt;&gt; Do I need to pay any cost back to Malgus Ltd?. .A. Yes. We are looking for a repayment. . .The total amount repayable will be in the region of 50% of the total cost we spend on you. This will be payable after you have a finished the course over a 5 year period.. .. ."Once you have completed the training you will be asked to re-pay 50% of the total cost Malgus Ltd spent on you. This is re-payable over approximatly 5 years and will be in proportion to your salary. This payment will only commence once you have gained employment after completing the full training course. There will be a variety of payment options available that will be discussed with you if you succeed to the final stage."

[malgusisrubbish]

You were all warned as I recall on both occasions Malgus ran their adverts.. .. .Its run by an Aer Lingus pilot and his Dad. They are trying to set up a business in the long term. Their business is to be broker inexperienced pilots with airlines and FTO's.. .. .As a promotional launch they have tried to give at least one free ATPL course paid for by the selection test fees of failed applicants.. .. .Essentially this is little more than a pyramid scheme where everyone pays for one to get rich. . .. .Its a rubbish way of trying to start a career and those that applied must have been desperate. Its just pig stubborn to think you will be the one to get the sponsorship. As has been mentioned previously in public - I would not be amazed to find that the eventual lucky winner wasn't the son of one of Malgus's best mates. Anyone can get through the interview and tests if they have seen the sample papers held by Malgus from Parcs initial bid to do the testing.. .. .That is pure speculation of course but its the sort of thing that would cross my mind were I to consider applying to Malgus.. .. .Nobody is going to be impressed that you were 'selected' by Malgus so its not going to help you get a job. Just remind me again how they can afford to sustain a business based upon giving someone a £50,000 training grant raised from a couple of hundred mugs paying £147? . .. .Their 50% clawback will take years to come online.. .. .They are not some big company with a big business or airline behind them. They are Father and Son.. .. .Their entire business model is based on the desperation of people to become airline pilots. That stinks.. .. .You'd be far far better off spending £147 on Clive Hughes guide to CPL and Zero to First Officer, David Hoys guide to the IR flight test, a tenner on a PPRuNe Wannabes Seminar and a subscription to Co-Pilot.. .. .Good luck applicants, you'll need it!. .. .MIR

[rossco18_uk]

Hi there,. .Wow a lot of posts on this topic. I have to say, I went to the tests in Glasgow on Sat 8th Feb and I don't remember them saying anything about changing the terms of sponsorship, but if they said it in Luton then it will apply to us in Glasgow too. They muct have changed it for future sponsorships. Out of curiosity, I wonder how many people got through to the 2nd stage compared to the amount of people who applied for Stage 1. Oh well, hopefully see you all on the 21st April. Anyone received a ltter yet confirming this?. .. .I have edited this post as I have now read the msg above mine with regards to the Malgus scheme being a load of "rubbish." I am a 20 year old Aeronautical Engineering Student, desperate to find any way of becoming an airline pilot. I would be quite happy to pay for the whole lot myself if I had the cash - but I do not! Hence sponsorship really is the only way to go. I agree with you in the fact that I do not think an airline will accept you just because you got accepted through malgus - that it ridiculous, however, it all boils down to one point. At the present moment I have only a few hours flying and a company by the name of Malgus are offering me the oppertunity to get a frozen ATPL. I don't care personally if I had to pay 1000 pounds (my pounds key on the keyboard is not working!) for the selection tests. If I thought I had a chance - even though it is probably a very slim chance - I would go for it with all my heart. Ironically speaking, I would give my left arm for a sponsorship oppertunity. Flying is my passion, my dream and my ambition. If this company is offering it to us then we should raise our glasses to them. Ok, so it's just a father and son wanting to start a business and ok, they are using the cash from people who do not get through, to sponsor one person, but at least they are DOING SOMETHING to help wannabe's like us. If I do not get through then at least I know I will have made some wannabe somewhere a very happy person. I will admit though that I was very dubious to the fact of paying 147 pounds for this at the beginning, but after much thinking, I realized it is only 147 pounds - it is not going to break the bank. If I do not get in, then I will in one year's time have an honours degree behind me and hopefully by then, the airlines will be recruiting again. To be honest, this is one of the only ways, people like us are going to get into the industry in the present climate. Ok, so you do not have an airline job at the end of training, but at least you have something that you didn't have before - an Airline Transport Pilot's Licence (Frozen). Is that not something? Maybe you don't get a job staright away, but sit and wait and it will come. All this talk about sitting without a job for months on end after training??? What is all that about?? I have never been out work once since I was 15 years old. Just because you have an ATPL, doesn't mean you cannot work in the local ASDA as temporary until a flying job comes along. Personally, I believe an airline would be more likely to pick someone who has done something with their life after training, rather than someone who has moped about becuase there are no flying jobs. . .I am going to give this Malgus thing the best shot I could ever give it. I am going to give it all my heart and hopefully at the end of it, it will be me and 15 other well-deserved wannabe's who will be going to Jerez. . .. .I don't believe you should post a negative comment about a company, when all they are trying to do at the end of the day is help people to get an ATPL! If you feel I am wrong then "bring it on!" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> . .. .Regards,. .. .Ross. . . . <small>[ 21 March 2002, 12:00: Message edited by: rossco18_uk ]</small>

[malgusisrubbish]

I have edited this post as I have now read the msg above mine with regards to the Malgus scheme being a load of "rubbish." . .. .I suggest you SEARCH back on the Wannabes board becuase there are an awful lot more people out there that agree with the proposition Malgus is rubbish. Amongst them are an awful lot of knowledgable PPRuNe'rs.... .. .I am a 20 year old Aeronautical Engineering Student, desperate to find any way of becoming an airline pilot. I would be quite happy to pay for the whole lot myself if I had the cash - but I do not! . .. .Like 90% of Wannabes. Nothing stopping you getting a graduate job, living with parents, saving £25,000 starting the modular route and borrow another £12,000. Thats what plenty of other have done. Or wait for a proper airline sponsorship. .. .Hence sponsorship really is the only way to go. . .. .In which case the odds against you ever becoming an airline pilot are about 9-1. Only 10% of ATPL holders out there got their initial training via sponsorship. Think about it. Get your backside in the UAS and that will sort you out for the first 100hrs.... .. .I agree with you in the fact that I do not think an airline will accept you just because you got accepted through malgus - that it ridiculous,. .. .Indeed - no chief pilot is ever going to have heard of Malgus. If they have they will have a negative view of it because it sounds like a scam. If they are weighing up you and a self sponsored applicant - all things being equal - they might well decide the chap who did it WITHOUT the help of Malgus is more deserving.. .. .however, it all boils down to one point. At the present moment I have only a few hours flying and a company by the name of Malgus are offering me the oppertunity to get a frozen ATPL. . .. .No. They are offering a lottery competition, price £147 a ticket plus travel expenses, the star prize is a £50,000 training grant 50% repayable. No job at the end. So unlike an airline sponsorship you will most likely be unemployed for a couple of years after graduating. Then when you do get some job - say earning £19,000 a year flying a Shorts 360 for someone - they are going to be on your back for their 50% back. Hardly a glittering prize. And don't think that they can help you with any job hunting. One Aer Lingus pilot and his Dad are not going to even know where to look to find strings to pull! Buy £147 lottery tickets.. .. .I don't care personally if I had to pay 1000 pounds (my pounds key on the keyboard is not working!) for the selection tests. . .. .Well if there were more mugs like you around Malgus would be in the FTSE 100 by Christmas. You idiot.. .. .If I thought I had a chance - even though it is probably a very slim chance - I would go for it with all my heart. . .. .Which is the problem. The chance is tiny - 450ish to 1. Would you back a horse at those odds? Would you? Lets see, £147 on the nose. It comes in. You get £66,150. Enough for an ATPL AND a type rating. I honestly think its a better investment. 50 grand with half back or 66 grand for keeps. Same risk - same money - same odds. Really it is. Or can you beat the odds because of your self perceived high aptitude.? Hmm? Ever taken a pilot aptitude test and got feedback? NO? Well that'll be blind hope then!. .. .Ironically speaking, I would give my left arm for a sponsorship oppertunity. Flying is my passion, my dream and my ambition. . .. .Yeah and about 45,000 other PPRuNe'rs mate. Its just that Malgus has decided it can cash in on people like you. They are like bookies. They know that you are passionate enough about flying to give this a punt. So they run a book and in you flock. They make a healthy margin, payout to the lucky few and the rest are just mugs. The lucky few being one if they are lucky. HOW come on HOW are they going to fund a £50,000 course when they only had less than 200 people turn up for stage one? They've got less than £30,000 in the bank never mind the selection costs to date! . .. .If this company is offering it to us then we should raise our glasses to them. . .. .You are being exploited and you want to say thanks such is the blinding nature of your ambition.. .. .Ok, so it's just a father and son wanting to start a business and ok, they are using the cash from people who do not get through, to sponsor one person, but at least they are DOING SOMETHING to help wannabe's like us. . .. .No they are trying to kick start their grubby business with a promotional offer that costs hundred of Wannabes hundreds of pounds just so one person can get an ATPL which he then half repays. Its like money in the bank for them even if it does work as advertised. THINK ABOUT IT. Lets say 450 apply and this pays for all the selection costs plus his/her ATPL. 449 people walk away dissapointed but understood the risks, one gets a cheap ATPL and Malgus cover their costs and trade on. Lucky winner gets a job. Starts paying back MALGUS £5000 a year. They have an income for the next 5 years that was initially paid for by the 449 people whom they rejected. Nice one. Do this a few times and suddenly you got a healthy pension fund derived entirely from Wannabes unfullfilled aspirations. YOU NAIVE MUPPETS!. .. .If I do not get through then at least I know I will have made some wannabe somewhere a very happy person. . .. .Rubbish! You try to say that at the end of the day when you fail you'll at least get a warm glow of satisfaction that you have financially assisted someone else to gain the job that you yourself covet?!? Rubbish. Tosh. Nonsense.. .. .I will admit though that I was very dubious to the fact of paying 147 pounds for this at the beginning, but after much thinking, I realized it is only 147 pounds - it is not going to break the bank. . .. .And thats why the fees are pitched at this level - the maximum they calculated people would be willing to chance. NOT at a level they thought might fund a course from the amount of likely applicants. I could run the same thing with better returns. You all give me £1000 and I'll pull a name out of a hat for free. NO management charges, admin fees or selection test overheads. I won't even ask for half the money back in the future. And the odds are at least 9 times better than at Malgus. If not enough people apply within 6 months I will cancel the scheme and return all money (albeit the interest will be mine). Fair? Sensible and laudable? Rubbish. Its a gamble - NOTHING more. Like Malgus.. .. .If I do not get in, then I will in one year's time have an honours degree behind me and hopefully by then, the airlines will be recruiting again. . .. .So you would abandon a degree most of the way through would you? To train and join a huge queue of jobless 180hr Frzn ATPL pilots. MUG.. .. .To be honest, this is one of the only ways, people like us are going to get into the industry in the present climate. Ok, so you do not have an airline job at the end of training, but at least you have something that you didn't have before - an Airline Transport Pilot's Licence (Frozen). Is that not something? Maybe you don't get a job staright away, but sit and wait and it will come.. .. .That somes it up nicely pal. Sit and wait for a job. Only get the license via sponsorship.. .. . All this talk about sitting without a job for months on end after training??? What is all that about?? I have never been out work once since I was 15 years old. Just because you have an ATPL, doesn't mean you cannot work in the local ASDA as temporary until a flying job comes along.. .. .And just how are you going to keep that IR current? Your hours are remaining static as your intial training recedes - this makes you less attractive to the airlines. You think you can train intensively and then stack shelves for years without becoming a rusty low houred rubbish pilot not fit to fly my Dog never mind my Mum. Flying jobs don't just come along. For every one there is a dozen better qualified applicants than you. You have to MAKE your breaks in this business. You don't sound like you will.. .. . Personally, I believe an airline would be more likely to pick someone who has done something with their life after training, rather than someone who has moped about becuase there are no flying jobs. . .. .And who can afford to mope around with £50,000 of debt?. .. .I am going to give this Malgus thing the best shot I could ever give it. I am going to give it all my heart and hopefully at the end of it, it will be me and 15 other well-deserved wannabe's who will be going to Jerez. . .. .Good on you for putting in a tiny amount of effort to write a cheque and turn up for a selection test. Whoppee Do! Try spending every weekend turning up at the local airfield to wash planes and sweep the hangar in exchange for twice around the circuit. The chances of Malgus sending 16 times £50,000 (£0.8 million) to Jerez is laughable. LAUGHABLE. Airtours recently terminated the 16 cadets they had there becuase they couldn't afford to keep them in the current climate. AIRTOURS - not here today gone tomorrow MALGUS! Lets see. 16 people times 450 applicants each means they would need 7,200 wannabes to apply to them. They would have to run selections for 138 people every week for the next year just at Stage One! There are only about 10,000 serving airline pilots in the UK foes heavens sake young man.. .. .I don't believe you should post a negative comment about a company, when all they are trying to do at the end of the day is help people to get an ATPL! If you feel I am wrong then "bring it on!" . .. .Regards,. .. .Ross. .. .Well I will bring it on only in an attempt to save idiotic naive wannabes from their own delusional desires to get a blue book from the CAA. All they (Malgus) are trying to do is establish their own little business by exploiting Wannabes over ambitious blinkered to the odds hopes and dreams. There is nothing benevolent about them. They are making money - albeit legally - from Wannabes.

[Don D Cake]

Here, here

[mnpala]

I have looked at the web site and YES it says in the FAQ that the successful applicant will have to pay 50% back. This is very strange considering the title says "100% pilot sponsorship".. .. .The only question now is whether this clause applies to the current applicants, or only for future candidates.. .. .Imagine this: You go into a travel agent and see a holiday for £147. You pay the money, and then the travel agent asks you for an extra £25000 (which you didn't know about at the begining). Would you have paid the £147 in the first place if you knew this ?. .. .This is something worth keeping an eye on.

[TraineePilot01]

Although I don't entirely agree with what Malgus have done, the post above mine is a tad ridiculous...? A very poor example.. .. .If you book a holiday for £147 you don't expect to get something worth £50000 for it do you? You expect to get a holiday worth £147. That's all I'm gonna say. No doubt I'll get some stick for this and smart-arse disagreements (as usual).. .. .And if you think about it, how much do aptitude tests costs if you get them done by the RAF anyway? Isn't it around £150 too? At least you have a record that you have done them, and maybe passed them, with your results to show future airlines, plus you also have a minor chance of getting sponsorship and putting on your CV that you had been keen enough to pay the money and try it out.

[rossco18_uk]

Touchy touchy, I was only trying to make a point that although you may not like it, it is at least something I can do to try and help me get a Frozen ATPL and no I wouldn't want to leave my degree. I am not tied to an airline at the end of it, so I could go back and finish it, but thanks for trying to spoil at least the hope of a dream for a lot of people!! I do not know how many people applied for stage 1. You say 200, which if the case then yes I do not see how they will get the funds, but I have read that they had enough people apply. Plus, the 50% pay back is only for the people applying for the second time and not this time.. .. .R

[Matthewjharvey]

Here here, reading this thread gives the impression of many cynical, arrogant, pig-headed people out there. Some of these youngsters have little means of affording pilot training without these schemes - not all are from privilaged backgrounds like me and I suspect many of the detractors who are making posts on this subject.. .Give this company at least a chance - maybe it is a scam, but I prefer to be optimistic.. . . . <small>[ 21 March 2002, 20:22: Message edited by: The Greaser ]</small>

[Delta Wun-Wun]

Right this not a scam (cos I said so).If every one sends me £50 I will make sure all of it goes towards training for an ATPL.Not one penny will have to be refunded. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[GonvilleBromhead]

Sorry Ross but in saying "but thanks for trying to spoil at least the hope of a dream for a lot of people!!", that is all it is, the hope of a dream.. .. .It's a bloody cut throat world, aviation, and the hopes of a dream is not enough to get you through. The sooner people realise it the better.. .. .If this thread helps to wake up a few people and maybe knacker a few "dreams" then all well and good. If on the other hand it brings the stark realisation that achieving the RHS can be a slog rather than the rose-tinted perception of "just being a pilot" then maybe it will save a lot of heartache for some further down the line, or possibly channel peoples efforts down the more effective route i.e hard work.. .. .Most of us on here are trying to make it, and I for one don't have a so-called priveleged position to help me through. Like most, I have a decent job (as you could also get) and am completing the course the modular way.. .. .The argument that it is either a) priveleged people or b) only sponsorship people, that can actually afford to make it through is a nonsense. If that is the basis for you relying soley on this so called "scheme" to achieve your ambition as an airline pilot, I question your committment in the first place.. .. .Why not put the hours into your degree, graduate, and obtain a decent job that will allow you to part finance your training, meanwhile approaching the banks to help you through ?. .. .Yes sponsorships are a nice, clean, relatively quick way to achieve the right-hand seat, but failing them there are no short cuts.. .. .Are you prepared to go the long way, perhaps doing a job for a few years that you don't particularly fancy but will provide a means to an end ? Ask yourself. . .. .In the meantime, by all means go for this so-called sponsorship, it's a free country, but just remember how much interest this thread and others similar has/have caused, compared with let's say a more established airline sponsorhip scheme ? Why is this ???. .. .All the best in however you go about it.. .. .GB.

[distaff_beancounter]

Information on Malgus Ltd filed at Companies House:-. .Incorporated 15/06/2001 in Scotland No SC220272. .Directors & Shareholders:-. .Malcolm James CLARK DoB 22/02/1977 Shareholding £51. .Angus John CAMPBELL DoB 09/03/1978 Shareholding £49. .Neither Director holds any other directorships. .There are no other directors or shareholders in Malgus. .Total Share Capital issued £100 (One hundred pounds). .. .From the above I would assume that:-. .The name MALGUS is derived from the first names of the 2 directors. .The company is too new to have filed any accounts yet, so has no financial track record on file. .Neither director appears to have had any previous experience in being a company director. .There is no indication of the company having any funding, other that the initial £100 share capital put in by the 2 directors. .. . Applicants paying £147 are "investing" in Malgus, nearly 3 times the amount invested by each of the directors

[GuinnessQueen]

OK, why don't we all chill out a bit!. .. .I was under the same understanding as Freda, when I spoke to the people at MALGUS before the current scheme started they informed me that this first offer was limited, and would be the only 100% sponsorship scheme (I was also under the impression that places were v. limited). The following schemes would require payment back. The aim of their business being making money from in the future being able to provide a pool of pilots for various airlines. (Don't Air Atlantique do something similar)?. .Anyway, like all sponsorship opportunities the odds are stacked against the majority, but someone has to get it! If you look at other 'genuine' sponsorships then the fee of £147 is about the same, eg Brit Euro, two rounds about £75 each (not sure on exact figures)and 4 places. Go to Gapan or Cabair and pay the same just to sit the aptitudes and see how you do. It's all experience, and it all counts to your opportunities in the future.. .. .If people don't like it then don't apply.. .. .GQ

[distaff_beancounter]

Guinness Queen. .. .As I understand it, for the British European sponsorship, there was no charge for the initial application. Only those called in for the first selection day, were charged around £50, but by then they were on a short list, with odds of 1 in 6 of selection for genuine guaranteed sponsorship.. .. .I was under the impression that other sponsorship schemes run by the RAF, GAPAN, Cabair, etc, were on a similar basis, but please correct me if I am wrong.. .. .I see nothing wrong in paying for aptitude tests, once the odds of selection, are better than about 1 in 20, when the sponsorship is being offered by a well known & long established organisation, & when there is a definite number of places on offer, which is not dependant on getting sufficient applicants, whose own application fees are the ONLY funding available to cover the costs of the sponsorship.

[distaff_beancounter]

Perhaps I should have made my views clearer in previous postings. Believe it or not, I am NOT anti Malgus. BUT, I am in favour of full & honest disclosure in any financial offer made to the public, especially those aimed at cash-strapped Wannabees.. .. .Indeed, I see nothing wrong in applying to Malgus, so long as you are aware that it is apparantly nothing more than a lottery. Despite being a lottery it may well be the best chance that some Wannabes have of getting a fATPL. What I dislike is a lottery dressed-up as a genuine sponsorship, or even as employment. (It was in the employment sections of both The Times & The Sunday Times ). .. .Perhaps those of us who have been around a bit, & seen pyramid schemes & unregistered lotteries, have just got more cynical, over the years.. .. .So, good luck to those who have applied to Malgus <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[mnpala]

Lets see what happens to those who have made it to stage 2.

[jonathang]

Another thing quite concerning is the VAT number is not valid.. .. .Did a check on the number and it is not valid.. .. .JonathanG

[distaff_beancounter]

JonathanG. .. .Could you please expand on your last posting? Was a VAT number quoted anywhere, if so, what was it?. .. .Apptitude tests are normally standard-rated for VAT @ 17.5%. The VAT charged is, of course, payable to Customs & Excise.. .. .I assumed that the £147 was inclusive of VAT.. .After VAT, this equates to £125,10 net to Malgus.. .After deducting Malgus's costs (& profit?) how much is actually left to go towards the sponsorships? . .. .Oh Dear! ... I am becoming a cynical old sceptic again ... must go flying tomorrow to regain my sanity <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[malgusisrubbish]

Pyramid scheme, thats all this is.

Why don't you all get together and form a syndicate. When you have 500 members get a contract drawn up saying you all agree to put £100 into a 'prize draw'. Then get a tombola from the local Derby and Joan club and pull a winning ticket out of the hat.

It could be done at a PPRuNe bash if you like with Danny Fyne adjuticating and cranking the handle.

It would be £47 cheaper. The odds of being the winner would be higher as there are no wasted 'selection costs'. It would be more fun, quicker and probably fairer too.

I for one will be suprised if Malgus ever get anyone through an ATPL for £147.

I shall also make it my business to find out the exact relationship between any lucky winner and the men behind Malgus. If there is any connection or fishy business whatsoever I will organise a legal attack on Malgus and I already have the support of a well known aviation QC in doing so.

At the very best the men behind this scheme are launching their own commercial enterprise on the backs of Wannabes dreams.

Where were they before Sept11th for example? When there were plenty of real sponsorship opportunities about.

Where were they then? Perhaps it would be cruel to think that they saw the withdrawel of all airline sponsorship post 9/11 as an OPPORTUNTITY. Up they pop only a few weeks later with the only "Sponsorship" dream ticket deal on the market. A captive audience one might argue.

THINK ABOUT IT.

A nephew of Malgus's best friend from school is going to be the chosen one - mark my words.

You are all being USED to fund someone elses career. To watch your cow eyed blind hope and naivety is galling in the extreme.

Rember Malgus. You are being watched. Your 'Winner' will be investigated. Questions will be asked. The slightest slieght of hand WILL be exposed.

You are being watched. From a quite small distance in fact.

MIR.