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any female wannababes pilots out there? :p

[rebeccadblake]

yup meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

not a wantabee its..... Willbe

We have the advantage in the market, becuase us women are better pilots.

Men, just agree and put ya ego's down! I have many ATC friends who will agree with me.

And dont worry GE. us female pilots go excist. :eek:

[distaff_beancounter]

Yes - me too

You only have to show that you can pass the same ground exams & flight tests as the fellas. (That should not be difficult for any half sharp female)
From then on, you get to play with the big boys' toys, on fairly equal terms

:)

[ 18 December 2001: Message edited by: Distaff Beancounter ]

[bow5]

Hold it there Chesire Cat, I beg to differ! :p I seem to remember a report not too long ago about men and women pilots. I can't remember the exact figures so i'll use creative licence and make them up to fit my argument. All the same....

A vast majority of aviation accidents involving women were due to loss of control or loss of situational awareness. Men, on the other hand, suffered accidents because of over confidence and cockiness (i.e. flying when the weather was marginal etc).

Now, one of these can be put right with an attitude change, the other is in-built and, for the purposes of my argument, unchangeable. :)

That should put the 'cat' amongst the pigeons as it were. :D ;)

[GonvilleBromhead]

...but their parking, ouch.....
:D ;)

[bow5]

......CRUNCH! ;) :D

[distaff_beancounter]

Ge
..... I forgot to mention .....

In aviation, as elsewhere, there are still a few unrecontructed male chauvinist dinosaurs ......

...... and a few members of the militant wing of the Womens' Liberation Movement, who just cannot resist the temptation of winding them up

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[bow5]

Good to see you can take a joke Distaff. :rolleyes: I presume you know what the phrase 'tongue in cheek' means?

Seems like militant feminism is closer to home than you think.

[ 18 December 2001: Message edited by: bow5 ]

[distaff_beancounter]

Bow5

My last post was meant to be a joke!
Sorry if I offended you .....
Perhaps MY windups are too subtle .....

:) :D ;) :cool:

[ 18 December 2001: Message edited by: Distaff Beancounter ]

[Polar_stereographic]

I see the handbags comming out.....

[distaff_beancounter]

...... and thats just from the fellas!

[bow5]

Guess that's 1 all then. ;) :D

[rebeccadblake]

I also saw the report, but as my specis reads things though PROPERLY. :p :p
You may have found the following comments..

Although these results show that male have more control over the a/c their "over confidence and cockiness" this tends to create far more accients than females.

"female pilots also have shown that there respondence to emergency situtations is far greater to the males".

There is loads more but I dont really want to Boast :D

Sorry to spoil ya sunlight!!

[twinkletoes]

Watch out for the 'token' female thing. If enough airlines adopt it and employ enough females it may just burst our bubble.
I have no issue with female pilots but personaly I will say my own unresearched amature statistics show the following.
I have flown with twelve instructors/pilots in the US and UK, under instruction, rectreationaly and once for personal gain .
Male. one crap, 7 good, 2 exceptional.
Female. 2 good.

Now percentage wise I say this looks very worrying for us blokes, watch out.

Seriously though I have heard of and read of advantages for each sex, so far it seems equal.
Hopefuly, eventualy partiy will exist between both sexes in this trade. I can see no reason why it shouldn't.

This predominantly male trade is being invaded by the 'fairer' sex. One day we will see jobs being taken by the better pilot regardless of sex.

[kez]

I whole-heartedly agree with twinkletoes -

"One day we will see jobs being taken by the better pilot regardless of sex."


I'm wanting to one day be known as a GREAT professional pilot....
... not a FEMALE professional pilot.

Cheers,
Scotty! :)

[ 19 December 2001: Message edited by: scotty_2 Spelling & Grammar...]

[ 19 December 2001: Message edited by: scotty_2 ]

[GonvilleBromhead]

Oooh, a dinosaur ? Surely not, not at 29 anyway ! ;)

Joking aside, you'll always get the good and bad in both sexes, and I'm sure most people would be equally as happy to work with either sex as long as they did a good job.

At least I would like think so, bit sad if not eh. I don't think I'd trust anyone who had a real problem with someone just on the basis of sex (ie. a problem with the other person's sex, not a problem WITH sex itself, after all, that's for a GP to sort out or a psychologist if the problem is deeper rooted). :p

Right, that's that then, I'm off to do some hunting and gathering...now, where's my club...

Happy Christmas folks.
:) :)

[distaff_beancounter]

Just to balance things up a bit, please bear in mind that women who become pilots, have chosen to work in what certainly used to be a male dominated world.

Apart from aviation, where else could a women be certain of being surrounded by all-action men, at least some of whom, look simply lovely in uniform?
;)

[distaff_beancounter]

Ge
I should have mentioned in previous postings, that you might like to consider joining the British Women Pilots' Asocciation. Its web site is www.bwpa.com. (http://www.bwpa.com.)
Membership is open to everyone from student pilots, to airline & military pilots. AND it is non-sexist, as men are allowed to join!
The BWPA produces a lot of useful info for wannabes, & also runs flying & social events.
:)

[Polar_stereographic]

Distaff Beancounter

So what happens when the male membership outnumbers the female one, and then vote a name change?

Just a thought

PS

[bow5]

Chesire Cat, you don't think it may be the continued loss of control and/or situational awareness that has led to increased emergency's for women pilots and, therefore, more honed emergency skills. :p :p :D ;) :D :p :)

[ 19 December 2001: Message edited by: bow5 ]

[scroggs]

There is no competition between sexes in aviation unless you people make one. I have taught many people of both sexes and, while it is true some generalisations can genuinely made of either, I cannot hold my hand on my heart and say that one sex is better than the other - in this field. So, while it amuses many to make jokes about the issue, I think we should celebrate the fact that this is one of few occupations where women can compete on equal grounds. Frankly, I have no problems with that.

[zep]

Scroggs is quite correct, over the years I have seen no difference in the abilities of either sex when it comes to operating aircraft. It is not a skill that requires physical strength, only reasonable hand/eye co-ordination, the ability to think ahead and good situational awareness. Flying is not a difficult discipline and can be learned by most people, as can the operation of most transport machinery eg; cars, motor-bikes etc.
To be gifted, or excellent is not required for normal commercial operation, this is an ability reserved for aerobatic champions, front line fighter-pilots, grand-prix motorcyclists and formula 1 racing-drivers.
The majority of people can be trained to fly to the required standard for public transport work there is no mystery, flying airliners is not difficult. However, take heart ladies, if two equally qualified persons apply for the same position,current practise[not policy] favours your goodselves.
Cheers.

[bow5]

I absolutley agree with Scroggs and RG500.

ALL jobs should appoint people with regard to their qualities and suitability for the position. The idea of quotas in some proffessions is a cover up for reverse discrimination. It should be one rule for all, with no exceptions.

It's still good fun winding people up though (and being wound up, Distaff!) <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[distaff_beancounter]

I agree entirely with the last few postings. I am very much against, "affirmative action", "positive discrimination", "quotas for race or gender" or anything similar.
It may appeal to some people who see it as a quick fix, to righting previous discrimination. But IMHO, all it leads to is making a different section of the community resentful, as they are now suffering unfair discrimination.
Furthermore it belittles the person who benefits, from the new system. I, & I expect, a lot of other women, would not be happy to be appointed to an job, if we felt is was purely as a "token women", or because another female was needed to comply with an anti-discrimination audit quota.
I only want to accept a job, where I believe that I have got there on my own merits, even if that does mean that I have to demonstrate that I am better than the fellas! (Bow5 .. this bit is a joke <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> )

[Barry Fields]

So apart from extremely confused, where does all this leave a transexual pilot ?

[charles_auty]

I don't think "Mars" has signed up to the Joint Airworthiness Requirements yet so it shouldn't change anything for you TuTu!

[Whirlybird]

To get back to the original question that started this thread, I'm happy to stand up and be counted as another female wannabe. This should be obvious from my name; Whirly Bird = female helicopter pilot - but some people don't seem to realise that. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Apart from that I'm getting sick of women pilot threads that crop up with monotonous regularity every month or so. Women have been getting pilots licences for over 90 years. When oh when is it going to be considered as normal as women teachers or doctors or cleaners or workers in MacDonalds, and not even mentioned?

[barotraumatized]

woah. i thought i was nearly seeing some capitalist females verging on the offensive. or was that capitalist virgins on the offensive? anyway. all the best girls. 90 yrs down. another few to go. keep wiggling those joysticks.

[Wedge]

Interesting thread! But let's please not get into the old race/gender "positive discrimination" debate as it always causes upset on here.

Fact 1: Men and Women are different, they have different strengths and weaknesses.

Fact 2: This means men and women make different pilots not necessarily better than men.

I think that men are more confident and have better reactions and hand to eye co-ordination than women (in general). But this is balanced by women's perhaps more balanced approach to a task like flying which as been said is not inherently difficult.

Compare it to driving (which is a different but not unrelated skill) - yes men have more accidents because of cockiness but in my opinion have greater car control than women - women's accidents tend to be caused by indecisiveness. In my opinion this makes men technically better drivers, if they keep their confidence in check.

Flying is male dominated profession so good luck to the women wannabes - in some cases being female has distinct advantages.

[redsnail]

Yep I am a pilot. I just happen to be female.

Personally, I like the fact that there are heaps of guys to chose from. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[rebeccadblake]

You have a good point there redsnail!!

[cubby]

Men do have more accidents in cars than woman but there are more men drivers , driving almost 3 times more miles and at an overall greater speed .
It's a fact of life that woman do tend to do the school run and go to the supermarket so we can deduce that Men have accidents because they are over confident and drive to fast and woman crash because they are not as confident and are not thinking about the task in hand .

I dont care if there are more woman pilots or not.
I have no problem with woman in authority( my wife was my boss when she ordered me to go out with her
<img src="smile.gif" border="0">

But I know , because I have seen it first hand recently , that some women pilots in this male orintated world can take advantage by using their sexuallity .I certainly could not flert with my instructor .And he would never do a walk around an A/C in the rain that i was about to fly.

If there is no problem with woman pilots , then why is there a big fan fair when BA or a local airline takes one on , or they become the first captain of the first all woman multi crew .

It seems that airlines , media and women are out to prove something that everyone reguardless of sex already new . And that is women can do anything they wont to equally as well as men .

My only gripe is with people , M or F , who cannot be bothered to get off their fat arses and make something of them selves instead of sitting around bemoaning all day about all men are this or all women are that and I've been delt a crap hand in my life and what am I gonna do till eastenders is on , moaning and groaning and grimercing untill mucas is dripping from their mangled membranes and their splenes are slattered oozing goo and puwtrid snot .................Dead!

Anyway must go , tea's ready.

Cubby.

[Barry Fields]

Hmm - Fine analogy Cubby - particularly the last sentence.

[Jepp]

With all these women pilots popping out all over the place, us male pilots will have to change the word COCKpit to something less sexist !!!!!!!!
:) :) :) :)

[distaff_beancounter]

Jepp
..... and women pilots much prefer to get their hands on a control column, rather than a joy-stick, anyway ....... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">