Caernarfon Airparc sponsorship

[fritz_2001]

As a follow on to a previous thread, here are the details of this scheme that I received in an Email this morning. I'm not sure if this belongs here in wannabes or private flying but since it might be a step up to gaining a CPL/IR/ATPL then this is where I'm putting it. So apologies to the moderators if this is in the wrong place.. .. .MW. .. .*************************************************. .. .Thank you for your Cadetship Application.. .. .Caernarfon Airparc is providing work experience for 6 months beginning Wed. .27 March 2002 until Monday 30 September 2002. The scheme will provide. .experience in all aspects of airport operations including a full 45 hour JAR. .PPL course.. .. .Successful applicants will be provided with accommodation, breakfast and. .midday meal. You will be expected to work a maximum 5 days of non flying. .experience, 1 day of flying experience and one rest day per week during the. .6 month period. Any additional time off will be at the discretion of. .Caernarfon Airparc Limited.. .. .If you wish to continue with your application you must attend a full day. .interview at Caernarfon Airparc on Sat 23 March 2002 starting 09:00hrs.. .. .On the interview day you should wear casual clothes (jeans, t-shirt or. .shirt, no skirts)and bring a full change of clothing. Your footwear should. .be comfortable and water resistant. Do not wear any jewellery including. .studs or rings (marital rings excepted). Bring a warm, water-resistant coat.. .. .There will be 4 stages to the interview. If you fail any stage your. .application will be cancelled. The successful cadets will be informed at the. .end of the day at 18:00hrs.. .. .Cadets succesfully completing section 3 will be requested to provide a. .cheque for £1000 and sign an agreement that if they are successful in. .section 4 and ARE selected they will commit to the cadetship.Unsuccesful. .cadets at the end of section 4 will have their bonds refunded immediately.. .Successful cadets completing the cadetship will have their bonds refunded at. .the end of the cadetship. IF YOU PROCEED TO SECTION 4 AND ARE SELECTED FOR. .THE CADETSHIP BUT THEN CANCEL YOU WILL FORFEIT YOUR BOND. .. .You will be given the opportunity to see the accommodation and type of work. .experience you will under take during the day and provided a Q and A session. .after section 3.. .. .The first stage will be the 'Air Law' exam as defined by the Ground. .Examinations for the JAR PPL, even if you have already passed this exam you. .must re-take it. There will be a charge of £15.00. Any person failing the. .pass mark of 75% will be disqualified from the selection procedure. The next. .3 stages will consist of practical and oral tests.. .. .Once you have been selected for the cadetship, early termination by a cadet. .forfeits the right to a refund. Early termination by Caernarfon Airparc Ltd. .will include a refund of the bond unless the cadetship is termintaed after. .one verbal and one written warning because the cadet has not performed. .duties as per the scheme to a satisfactory standard. For example, failing to. .report for duty, poor punctuality, rude or abusive behaviour, non. .conformance with company rules and procedures etc.. .. .You will be given full training in all aspects of your duties.. .. .You must confirm your intention to attend the interview by sending a cheque. .for £30.00 (non-refundable), payable to 'Caernarfon Airparc Limited' or. .calling 08707541500 to pay by credit card to cover the expenses of the Air. .Law Exam. Monies must be received by Fri 19 March 2002.. .. .If you require accommodation on the Fri and or Sat please call for details. .. .Again thank you for your application and I look forward to meeting you on. .the interview day.

[eagerbeaver]

Have you applied for this "cadetship"? . .Sounds alrightish what have you got to lose? Looks like you might be a bit of a skivvy or working in the tower (i can't think what the air law exam is for and why it seems so important?) I am interested to see how this develops, it will be a very nice opportunity for someone who likes aeroplanes and flying.. . Keep me informed.

[MikeSamuel]

Thought this was a bit too good to be true - not as "Free" as advertised. Well, here ends my application for this one!

[distaff_beancounter]

Does the National Minimum Wage (NMW) apply here?. .I am not an expert on the NMW, but my thoughts & queries are as follows:-. .Just because work is described as "work experience" does not automatically make it exempt from the regulations on NMW. Work Experience that is exempt from the NMW, is usually short periods of a few weeks that are linked to an educational course at a school or college.. .6 months work on a five day week of about 40 odd hours/week would come to about £4,500. benefits in kind, such as "free" flight training cannot be deducted before calculating the NMW payable to the worker. Nor can "free" accommodation when the employer dictates the place of work.. .Does anyone out there understand the NMW regulations, or can shed any light on this matter?

[distaff_beancounter]

Have you looked at the Private Flying forum thread "Goings on at Caenarfon" ? . .It looks as if all may not be well there according to reports copied from a local newspaper.

[long final]

I have to say that I have no knowledge of this matter, but thought this other thread may be of some interest.. .. .<a href="http://www.pprune.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=001351" target="_blank">thread</a> . .. .Regards,. .LF.

[Julian]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> You must confirm your intention to attend the interview by sending a cheque. .for £30.00 (non-refundable), payable to 'Caernarfon Airparc Limited' or. .calling 08707541500 to pay by credit card to cover the expenses of the Air. .Law Exam. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Why if the exam is only £15 as stated earlier????. .. .I would like to know how many hours 'one days of flying experience' is? I cant see them giving 8hours! If you allowed £100/Hr for an aircraft and instructor you would be on the equivalent of £800/wk!. .. .Sounds like one to stay away from especially after reading the other thread..... .. .Julian.

[distaff_beancounter]

Well, as they are only giving a JAR 45 hour PPL, that works out at 1.73 hours per week over the 26 weeks. So, at £100 per hour costs, equals a salary sacrifice of only £173 per week.. .Questions:-. .Who bears the cost if the student takes more than 45 hours to get a PPL?. .If the "flight experience" day only averages 1.73 hours airborne, is the rest of the day made up of other aircraft related activities, such as manning the refuelling pumps, washing aircraft etc?. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />

[RichardH]

MIGHT be a genuine scheme but proceed with . .caution.. .. .All the previous posts contain valid comments.. .I think charging £15 for an Air Law exam is a bit rich, particually if you've already passed it.. .. .Selection process sounds a bit like Initial Officer Selection, polls and barrels across lakes, building team work! etc. Yawn!. .. .More seriously though, I call 1-2 WEEKS work experience, not 6 months and I suspect it might be 6 months cheap labour through the summer schedules. Maybe the National Minimum Wage should apply, I wonder if the Revenue/National Insurance guys are aware.. .Remember Sandwich Undergraduates will be paid during their year in industry, why shouldn't you?. .. .When is the flying going to actually happen, during or at the end? I don't like phrases like "Satisfactory Standard" has been known for people near the end of schemes like this all of a sudden to become "Unsatisfactory", no refund & no more flying ??. .. .Tread carefully.

[Lucifer]

It just occured to me that the Air Law exam is only valid for 6 months (hence £30 instead of £15), therefore you do it once at selection, then again at a future point in time - say a month in - and have 6 months to complete the skills test. What if you need extra time to train, as the exams will all be invalidated if you overrun this period.. .. .SCAM SCAM SCAM.. .. .Steer clear.. . . . <small>[ 13 March 2002, 18:38: Message edited by: Lucifer ]</small>

[farmstrip]

Did anyone go to the interviews last weekend? What happened? Did anyone start "work" at Caernarfon Airport today? Let us know.