Combining JAR Multi with CPL - OK?

[Blackshirt]

There's no probs with combining one's JAR Multi-Engine Rating with CPL, right?

Am I correct in thinking that only an extra 3 hours on top of the CPL module's 25 is nessessary [assuming one is capable of getting to the required standard in min. time].

Also, can the Skills Tests be combined for Multi & CPL??

Tell me if I've got it all horribly wrong!!!

Thanks guys!
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[Flying Farmer]

Blackshirt

Have just passed both in the last three weeks.
As far as I know you can take the GFT in the multi, but dont think you can combine the Multi test with the GFT.
My advice would be to take the commercial in the single, its hard enough without the extra engine to worry about.Also the extra 20-25 Kts is going to give alot less thinking time on the VFR and IFR nav legs. Also an asymetric section In GFT if done combined.
All in all I'd glad I did them separatly !!

All the best

Flying F

[Rowley]

So do you not feel it reflects bad if you dont do your CPL GFT in a multi engine plane??

I always thought it did. The reason i ask is coz i want to do mine on a single so that i can instruct, without having the worry of keeping a multi rating current!

Cheers

[Botteron]

Just my little story:

I obtained my JAR Multi-CPL-IR as I was in the Swissair program and was supposed to join the airline sometime last Fall. (We all know what happend to SR :-( but my comments are still valid). Because of no Swissair, I'll be with Swisswings from next month, flying a Dornier 328.

I was an integrated course and we spend about 35 hours on a PA-34 Seneca for the Multi-IR part. Skill test was divided into two parts: one flight for the IFR rating and one flight for CPL rating.

For the CPL part, I found the skill test to be almost just like the PPL, except for slightly tighter tolerances and that extra engine to handle. (Conditions were CAVOK but winds on ground in the 20 - 25 kts, with perhaps 8-12 kts of crosswind).

If you don't plan on flying twins, you may not need the extra costs. However, if an airline is the final goal, then you've got to handle a twin. But it's not that difficult; your "dead-engine" leg may get sore but that's all.

What is difficult is not to forget to fly at 65kts on final with a single engine a/c :-) !!!

[Stan Evil]

There is no restriction on doing your CPL Skill Test on a multi - you avoid having to do PFLs and glide circuits but have the asymmetric section to cope with instead; the bit about having to work harder on the navex is a red herring as you will be expected to fly a longer route. You will get a MEP class rating in your licence on the basis of this test. At least 2 of the Integrated schools now do their PT3 (same as CPL Skill Test) on multis to avoid having to train on a complex single. Whether it's worth doing is down to what you want to do next. If you're going straight on to do a multi IR then the extra twin time will give you more of a chance of a first-time pass. If you're stopping at the CPL for the moment then you'll be paying quite a bit extra for a twin and not achieving anything very useful (even though you would get a MEP rating you will need to take a proficiency check every 12 months to keep it current).

[clear prop!!!]

As Stan says, there is no problem,...but,...why on earth???

As FF says, just get your CPL out of the way as cost effectively as possible. If you are going to make mistakes make them at £100's of pounds rather than multiples thereof! (excuse the pun!).

I suppose it depends on what you intend to do and how much spare cash you have to burn, but the CPL is a pretty intensive course without having to worry about an extra engine etc etc!

Get it out of the way then do your MIR as a separate entity would be my advice...but I could be wrong, as we will no doubt hear!

Good luck!

[MAX]

My advice is if you are going to do the IR straight away then go for the GFT in the twin. No PFL is a huge stress off the shoulders! Asymetric flight is a piece of p155 on the old rusty you will no doubt be flying. On the nav legs you'll be strolling at approx 120kts which really isnt that much faster than what you are used to. And cost effective? Do your sums. You know you can do it if thats the way you want to go.

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[rolling circle]

There is absolutely no benefit in taking the CPL Skill Test in a twin unless you have a twin job guaranteed. The MEP course is 6 hours, whether you do it before or after the CPL Skill Test.

Nobody expects the CPL Skill Test to be taken on a twin.

[MAX]

Yes Circle, but you can include the twin training as part of the CPL training and take the GFT and MEP Type at the same time. You dont have to do it before or after but during.

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