why dont the british government fund us

[mjkukin2]

why do the people who want too suceeed have to be put off by money issues in there chosen career. in many countries the government funwannabe pilots i mean lets not let everyone do it...sorry guys but if someone can pass a set criteria set by industry then the british government should cough up ....now whos with me if we get a petition going and its get out of control we can submit to those toffee nosed snobs who run the country...

[Matthewjharvey]

Hey jackass, if your dad's funding you 20 grand then why the hell do you care.

[mjkukin2]

because then i dont have too spend my money the n do i greaser ...i mean der ar eyou that STUP ID

[Blindside]

Is this a wind-up?

Do you want me to wipe your backside as well?

Why don't you use some of your extended education to gain employment and pay your own way? Why do you want everything on a plate?

How much have you contributed to society so far? Why should tax payers money be spent on your flight training?

PS How much tax have you contributed so far in your lifetime?

[Atlanta]

Dear Pie in the Sky,

Always remember one thing. The British always, always, always do things on the cheap.

[clear prop!!!]

Dear.. oh dear.. oh dear!!!

Please, someone confirm that this guy is a wind up!

It’s been a bad enough week without the thought that this sort of nonsense might just want to pollute our skies!

Now I’m not a fan of the spelling police, but, Pie in the sky, IF you are for real, at least do the rest of us on this site the courtesy of some thought before you type the sort of inane illiterate rubbish we have seen in this and your other posts!

There is a load of help, information and support made freely available on this site. If you wish any of it, have the decency to treat other members with some respect. Put some effort in to at least your grammar. That way we might believe that the British Government has not already wasted enough of our taxes on your education to date!

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[Intersection]

These so called 'toffee nosed snobs', have enough to fund in this country especially with Gordon Brown's new budget.

This is just out of the question the question if I may say so is ridiculous especially in a balancing economy. You really must think before you ask again.

If you consider it,the Government do fund flying by you working hard getting the grades and going through the RAF proving yourself the rightous way. I think once again this is another case of greed??.

Happy Flying to you all!!

Int.

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[Wee Weasley Welshman]

The first objective of such sentiments should be to have ATPL groundschool accredited under the auspices of the Futher or Higher Eduication Funding Council. In the same way that the theoretical and classroom taught parts of training to be a sparky/plumber/accountant are funded by the two councils.

Essentially this is how your local Technical College is funded. It is nonsensical to draw a distinction between classroom work for an ATPL exam and classroom work for an Accountancy exam.

Members of the two funding councils have candidly admitted as much to me.

If this objective were achieved then at least you might save a couple of grand on tuition costs.

I can't be bothered to organise such a pressure group but if someone wants to pick up the idea and run with it here then they would have my full support.

Initial actions would probably involve getting together a support groups of Wannabes and perhaps some groundschool owners (Alex, Paul, Malcolm perhaps..?) and making the Education Department clarify the situation.

There are no votes in free training for airline pilots so it will never happen. Nor should it in my opinion. It takes 7 years of expense and no income to become a GP and then you are capped at about £66,000 a year. It takes a year to train as a pilot and after 7 years you could well be in the LHS of a jet earning more than a GP. There is no shortage of pilots looking for work so market forces are the best policy it seems.

WWW

[SuperTed]

I agree with what you are saying WWW, although having it accredited under further/higher education would not make one ounce of difference. Why? Why should it, afterall tw@t face Tony has removed all funding for higher degrees such as MScs, and funding for PhDs is rather troublesome! And this government states its pro-education.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Well actually Superted it would make a difference. The ATPL tuition could be funded 100% by the FEFC just as they do at your local "Tech".

All that has to happen is for them to audit the ATPL course and individual schools.

WWW

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Well actually Superted it would make a difference. The ATPL tuition could be funded 100% by the FEFC just as they do at your local "Tech".

All that has to happen is for them to audit the ATPL course and individual schools.

WWW

[pjdj777]

Well said WWW - the audit would also help ensure quality and security within the training organisations, after the events of the last year many people will be wary of spending money anywhere.

Some form of tax relief would also help, however the previous NVQ scheme was massively abused. You should only gain tax relief for training if you make a commitment to becoming a commercial pilot, and if for no good reason you do not make it you should refund the tax back. When I did my PPL there was a 60 year old guy claiming NVQ who only wanted a PPL - crazy!!

[BluffOldSeaDog]

Getting back to the original post, maybe if an employer can see that you are driven and bloody minded enough to spend so much time, energy & money on your chosen career then you must be dedicated (or extremely idiotic)!!

[Mister Geezer]

Why should the British government fund flight training when there is no significant shortage of people who are qualified or who are training at present?

Going back to pie in the sky's point about other countries funding flight training. Take your average 'government' owned flag carrier from a developing country. I presume in these cases if the government did not help fund candidates then some 3rd world airlines would find themselves with no flag carrier due to no pilots!

[SuperTed]

Yeah and Tony can reinstate grants, abolish tuition fees and provide funding for higher degrees while hes at it!

Another thing about FEFC, mostly their objectives are keyed up to providing further education/training to mainly 16 -19 year olds. How many commercial pilots fall into this category? Not many.

[bow5]

Pie in the Sky, aka UMIST, I thought i'd initailly over-reacted to you on Friday but this confirms what I thought. You are a tosser. With that attitude you'll struggle to get a job street cleaning, never mind flying a plane. Sod off <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

And something else, you may not be writing a thesis as you so elequently put it the other day, but if you cannot fly a keyboard better than you appear to be capable of then I for one would rather swim than have you flying my plane. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

[Pen it off!]

Pie in the sky,

from a 'Fixers' point of view i would normally say " welcome to a typical Flight Deck attitude".

However, before you all start venting off at what i have said, i feel refreshed at the responses that you have all posted here.

Pie in the sky remenber this and you wont go far wrong "Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a ****, than to open it and actually prove it"! :)

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[Anti Skid On]

Is it April 1 already??

I wrote to Johnny two Jags about 10 years ago, not asking for a handout, but asking could flight training receive a training loan, repayable once in work

Still wating for the reply (he was shadow transport sec. then - perhaps if I had asked for funding to beome a ships steward....)

[SuperTed]

Anti Skid,

You should have mentioned that you wanted to become a professional boxer. I think you would have got your money! :) :)

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Actually Superted the way that FEFC funding is allocated means that there are greater sums of money available for successful training outcomes for the over 21's and the biggest pay outs of all come when you train someone to an accredited qualification pass who is 25+.

Grammatically that was an appalling sentence.

As was that.

I'm off down the snooker hall now.

WWW

[Anti Skid On]

Be nice if it went up pro-rata, so I could hang on till I am 40 and get more dosh!

Nice one WWW!