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OBK!
13th Nov 2002, 19:54
Does anybody know anything about this aircraft? I am thinking about doing my ME in it, just wondered what I get for £189 per hour (wet) :D ?

Such things as Cruise KIAS/Typical Altitude/Range/Max TOW etc would be grateful.

nasib
13th Nov 2002, 20:36
KIAS 140
Unless the turbo chargers are tired FL100 is no problem
Endurance standard tanks 4hours, long range tanks 5hours
MTOW lots have been recertified 1999kg to avoid airways charges. Otherwise, approximately 2150kgs.
Six seats but the usual trade off between people and fuel.

QDMQDMQDM
13th Nov 2002, 20:50
http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/info/airplane386.shtml

OBK!
13th Nov 2002, 21:02
Service Ceiling 25,000ft?!

Is the Seneca pressurised?

Also, it says Cruise Speed 177 kts, is this TAS? I am sure KIAS of 140 would equate to 177kts at about 12,000ft?

Flyin'Dutch'
13th Nov 2002, 23:19
OBK

Where is this machine flying from?

FD

OBK!
14th Nov 2002, 09:30
Well I am thinking about doing it at Nottingham, where they have a 200T, going to give them a ring today to find out the major details and a bit more about the course.

Thanks for all your help anyway.;)

englishal
14th Nov 2002, 12:05
ceiling 25,000, SE ceiling around 14,000. Not presurised but has an [or can have] oxygen system and de-ice fitted.

Lovely aircraft to fly.In the states, you can pick one up for $150-$170 / hr wet.

EA
:)

OBK!
14th Nov 2002, 12:18
Thanks englishal, 13000ft still very impressive! should be able to get some decent winds and a nice recipient TAS up there I guess?

Think I may have to pop to USA aswell! I pay that much for an Archer here!

Stan Evil
14th Nov 2002, 15:32
The 200T (Seneca II) is one of the nicer Senecas. In the training role cruise is normally around 140 kts IAS and airways work is done around 8000 ft. Yes, you can go above 10000 ft with oxygen but Senecas used primarily for training don't often carry it and, anyway, wearing a mask is a pain. It's got 6 seats but full fuel and 4 people is a more realistic load (less if it's only certified to 1999 kg). Fuel tankage varies but can be as low as 97 US galls or, with long range tanks, 123 US galls. Engines each use around 12 gall/hr in the cruise. At training weights asymmetric performance is quite reasonable (for a light twin) and 'handed' engines mean that there is no critical engine.

englishal
14th Nov 2002, 18:00
Yes, you can go above 10000 ft with oxygen
Sh*te, do you need 02 to go above 10k in the UK? I am used to >12k in the US, even in PA28's ;)

EA

OBK!
14th Nov 2002, 18:58
I think without 02 above 10K you can suffer from Hypoxia, which is quite serious, and sometimes quite an insidous incapacitation.

englishal
15th Nov 2002, 07:17
The FAA rules are basically >12,500' for more than 30 minutes [I believe] then flight crew need oxygen, though passengers don't ;) Above 14,000 all onboard need to be provided with o2. They suggest using o2 above 5k at night as your vision is affected first by hypoxia.

12,000' in my experience is no problem. Maybe I'm just super humanly fit, though I doubt it as I enjoy puffing on the odd smoke now and again :)

Cheers
EA

Dude~
16th Nov 2002, 15:13
OBK, dont forget that int he states you cant fly solo in a twin without 50 hrs P1 or else take a safety pilot. Austrlia will let you fly though, I soled a duchess after 6 hrs and paid a hundred quid an hour of flight time, bargain mate. long way to go though.

englishal
16th Nov 2002, 17:57
you don't need 50 hrs P1 twin time though.....Generally 25 hrs dual with an FTO's instructor and 200 hr TT and you can rent someting like a Seneca.

EA