Bonjour à tout le monde!!!!!!!!!!!
To the kind attention of all french pilotes out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems AF plans to recruit pilots this year I took a look at their website and....is it possible they have radically changed their minimum requirements??????
I'd like to hear your opinions, meanwhile I think I'm on my way to "la douce France"
Merci beaucoup

Allelouiha!!

Wait and see ....

The details..

PILOTES PROFESSIONNELS
CONDITIONS DE RECEVABILITE DES CANDIDATURES POUR 2001

Conditions générales

- Ne pas avoir été éliminé 2 fois à une sélection PNT à Air France quelle que soit la filière.
- Ne pas avoir été éliminé au cours d'une formation PNT à Air France.
- Respecter un délai de 3 ans et avoir effectué 1000 heures de vol pour présenter une nouvelle candidature après la date d'élimination à une première sélection PNT.
- Etre de nationalité d'un pays de la Communauté Européenne et s'exprimer couramment dans la langue française.
- Etre titulaire du brevet théorique de pilote de ligne délivré par la DGAC ou par un pays membre des JAR/FCL. Pour les PL théoriques obtenus avant le 01/01/97, être titulaire du certificat "Facteurs Humains" ou avoir suivi un stage de rattrapage FH au sein d'une compagnie.

Conditions particulières

Premier cas :
Etre titulaire de la licence française de pilote professionnel avion avec la qualification IFR multimoteurs en cours de validité ou d'une licence CPL/IR " multi engine " validée JAR/FCL (licence CPL/IR française en attendant l'agrément JAR/FCL des licences européennes obtenues hors de France)
et satisfaire à l'une des conditions d'âge suivantes :

- être né après le 31/12/1968 sans conditions d'heures de vol pilote avion
- être né après le 31/12/1965 et totaliser plus de 1000 heures de vol pilote avion au 31/12/2000
- être né après le 31/12/1962 et totaliser plus de 2000 heures de vol pilote avion au 31/12/2000
- être né après le 31/12/1959 et totaliser plus de 3000 heures de vol pilote avion au 31/12/2000
- être né après le 31/12/1955 et totaliser plus de 3500 heures de vol pilote avion au 31/12/2000.

Deuxième cas :
- Etre titulaire de la licence française de pilote professionnel en cours de validité.
- Etre titulaire d'un baccalauréat d'enseignement général ou technologique ou d'un diplôme équivalent de la Communauté Européenne. A défaut, être titulaire d'un diplôme homologué niveau III ou du diplôme d'accès aux études universitaires (DAEU).
- Etre né après le 31/12/1970 sans conditions d'heures de vol pilote avion.

Mises en stage

Les candidats déclarés aptes à la mise en stage disposent d'une validité de deux ans pour rejoindre le centre de formation d'Air France.
Pour être admis en stage, les candidats doivent être titulaires des certificats "TOP" et "DA" et totaliser au moins 100 heures de vol avion en tant que Commandant de Bord.


Vous trouverez toutes ces informations sur le boite vocale : 0141568080

Si vous réunissez ces conditions, vous pouvez faire acte de candidature en adressant une lettre de motivation et un C.V précisant vos qualifications et vos heures de vol à :

Air France Unité de sélection P.N.T
TSA 2
BP 60111 Villepinte 95975 Roissy CDG Cedex

Vous pouvez également postuler en ligne : Pilote Professionnel

Can anyone translate?

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Duff, Duff, that Wonderful stuff. Ummmmm Doughnuts

As far as the foreign applicants are concerned , only one thing to translate :

if you have a JAR CPL-IR , and if you speak french , you'll have to wait that the DGAC (french CAA) recognizes Jar licences obtained in countries other than France.....And you'll be allowed to apply.

French administration is stupid ??
-yes..

I called the DGAC a month ago and spoke to a gentleman who said that JAA PPL obtained in the U.K was recognised without problem . SO is the CPL/IR - ATPL the exception that confirms the Rule ???????

Unfortunatly..yes!

A JAR ATPL entitles you to work in any country in Europe. The international language of aviation is English - unless of course you wish to work in Europe, where you are required to speak fluent French, German, Dutch or whatever before you can join their airlines.

Needless to say, they can all join ours. They wouldn't be protecting their own nationals, would they? NAH, that's just me being cynical again, innit?

vmike !

The French CAA is stupid enought to NOT recognize JAR licence except thoses issued by the french ! this is not a joke ( DGAC is not funny anyway)

Things may change in the future but ... when ? I do not hava a clue.

We , in France are the only JAA country do act like this, and I am fighting against that to obtain a recognition of my licence ( UK)

Good luck to anybody who want to work for AF !

I don´t understand, it clearly says:
-" Etre titulaire du brevet théorique de pilote de ligne délivré par la DGAC ou par un pays membre des JAR/FCL."
Translated this means: to be in posession of an ATPL issued by the DGAC or by a country member of the JAR-FCL...
If this is what Air France are saying, it means they DO accept licenses other than their own, doesn´t it?? Can anyone clarify?

cignet !


you re right but at the moment the DGAC do not accept JAR licences other than french .

AF has modified their requirements 'cause this is due to change during the next months

Once this has been done , everyone in the EU could apply as pilot in the AF group ...

The only problem is ... you still have to speak french ...

good luck

Air France have been looking at several large flying colleges in Europe recently. They have a big juicy contract in their briefcases so it looks like some hefty cadet recruitment is imminent...

Good luck,

WWW

There is no law stopping anyone learning french. Just as there is no law stopping anyone in france learning english. English is not the only international language of aviation, it is just one of them.

I am glad to see such a feedback!!!!
I strongly hope that the french DGAC will soon align to the rest of EU giving chances to non french individuals who wish to work as pilot in france!
a question to all of you out there :from what AF states in the Min. reqs pour le candidature 2001, would you realize they do need pilots or what????(compare 'em to the requirements they had last year, you'll see quite a difference!!!!!!!!)
lots of replies appreciated
Vive la France..........

BIK_116.80 - English is, however, the only declared language of the JAA and France purports to have 'fully implemented' JAR-FCL 1.

Despite this, the DGAC have since implementation, approved courses run by french schools which are plainly not compliant with the requirements of JAR-FCL 1, refused to recognise type ratings conducted by any other than french TRIs and TREs, refused to recognise JAA licences issued anywhere other than in France and generally stuck two fingers up to the whole concept of the integration of licensing. Furthermore, the DGAC representative on the JAR-FCL committee is the proud and vociferous ringleader of the group of nations trying to ban all training outside of JAA member states, particularly in the US.

On the whole the JAA, like the EU, would run a whole lot better without the French in it. That is not xenophobia, nor racism, merely a statement of fact.

[This message has been edited by rolling circle (edited 28 January 2001).]

BIK_116.80, I strongly agree with rolling circle on the english issue. I work for a national airline in Europe and must admit that Paris is by far the worst airport I fly in to. My situational awareness is severely reduced due to the fact that I cannot speak French, and hence do not fully understand what or where the traffic around me is. A welcome sound is when some AF pilots speak english, and most are very good at it :) !! However in Japan, a nation whose inhabitants are at least as proud of their language and heritage as the French are of theirs, they use English for R/T !!

As for the language requirement, I believe this to be a natural requirement. Which manager would want someone working for AF who couldn't speak French!?

As for the "strange" interpretation of JAR-FCL licences the DGAC will soon find to be on the wrong path, as the JAR task force will withdraw JAR-FCL status in France...

This is all so predictable

What exactly is the point of all this JAA
nonsense?

Mobility of flight crew in Europe -
don't make me laugh...

JAR
Nobody wants it
Nobody asked for it
Nobody voted for it
Essentially it is undemocratic

Is there any chance of this?

PILOTES CADETS
CONDITIONS DE RECEVABILITE DES CANDIDATURES 2001


- Etre de nationalité d'un pays de la Communauté Européenne et s'exprimer couramment dans la langue française

- Ne pas avoir été éliminé(e) à une précédente sélection " pilote cadet " (1)

- Etre né(e) entre le 01/01/1974 et le 31/12/1983

- Avoir le bac " S " ou " STI " ou " ES " et satisfaire à l'une des conditions suivantes :

- Etre titulaire du brevet théorique de pilote de ligne (PL ou ATPL)
ou
- avoir suivi une première année de classe préparatoire aux grandes écoles, au cours de la scolarité 00-01, et être admis en deuxième année
ou
- avoir suivi une deuxième année de classe préparatoire aux grandes écoles au cours de la scolarité 00-01
ou
- avoir suivi une année d'études en école d'ingénieurs au cours de la scolarité 00-01
ou
- posséder un diplôme sanctionnant 2, 3, ou 4 années d'études supérieures dans un domaine scientifique
ou
- posséder un diplôme sanctionnant 5 années d'études supérieures ou plus dans un domaine scientifique ou commercial

>> I won't take the time to translate this as fluency in French is required. Good luck anyway. SF

Courtesy of SYSTRAN :

PILOTS JUNIORS CONDITIONS BY ADMISSIBILITY OF THE CANDIDATURES 2001

- To be of nationality of a country of the European Community and to
usually express themselves in the French language

- not to have been éliminé(e) with a preceding selection " controls
junior " (1)

- To be né(e) between the 01/01/1974 and 31/12/1983

- To have the vat " S " or " STI " or " ES " and to satisfy the one of
the following conditions:

- To be titular theoretical patent of airline pilot (PL or ATPL) or
- to have followed a first preparatory year of class to the large
schools, schooling 00-01, and to be allowed in second year or
- to have followed a second preparatory year of class to the large
schools during schooling 00-01 or
- to have followed one year of studies in school of engineers during
schooling 00-01 or
- to have a diploma sanctioning 2, 3, or 4 years of higher studies in
a scientific field or
- to have a diploma sanctioning 5 years of higher studies or more in
one scientific or commercial field

traduction:
avoir un riche papa,un gros cul pour bien se faire entuber par toutes les ecoles JAR...
et etre blanc...

avec ca, t es sur d'avoir un boulot et un bouchon pour le cul!!! :)