Flat panel displays

[piratepete]

Some older Boeings eg, 767-200s have been retrofitted with LARGE SCREENS replacing the original "conventional" instrumentation.Can some one point me to where I can buy a training CBT on these displays?

[pattern_is_full]

First, you probably need to know which upgrade is involved.

There's one from Rockwell-Collins, with 3 really large horizontal screens ("inspired by" the 787 flight deck). I'm guessing that is the most likely:

https://www.rockwellcollins.com/-/media/Images/rc2016/marketing/L/Large_display_sytem/LDS-1.ashx

But there is one from ABX Air, with 6 smaller flat panels:

https://www.abxair.com/about/press-releases/2006-08-25.cfm

[piratepete]

Thanks for that, Pattern, its the ABX version.

[pattern_is_full]

The screens themselves are just that - screens. Not any different than your computer of phone screen. They turn on and off.

What counts (what you need to learn) is operating the software behind them, and that can be somewhat generic (covers all such installations) but also not generic at all, down to the level of a specific installation in a specific airframe (unlikely but not impossible) depending on what goodies a particular customer orders.

Technically - IS&S builds that system; ABX installs it and provides the pilot training and manuals - for several million bucks per. I'd guess you should start by contacting ABX themselves, and see if they offer "open" training in any form, beyond that which is part of the purchase price and available only to customers' (or ABX's) own pilots.

In effect, it will amount to getting a "mini" type rating, covering the displays and how they interact with the parts of the 767 you already know and love.

[piratepete]

Thank you Sir.
I guess the cheapest/easiest method to provide pilot training is to just make a power point presentation based upon the FCOM 2 description.Its pretty comprehensive.Cost ZERO, just a few hours of my time.Cheers Peter.

[tdracer]

Not familiar with the ABX system, but the Rockwell system (currently being delivered as a factory installed STC on new production 767F for FedEx) displays the exact same information, in the same format, as the old CRT displays. Since the displays are quite a bit larger, there is a fair amount of unused space. There are plans to put other information in the unused space at some TBD future time.
I'd be rather surprised if the ABX system alters the information or format from the original CRTs - all that information and the formatting is generated by existing aircraft systems (EICAS, etc.), the display system simply displays (not unlike a flat panel TV connected to a satellite or cable box).

[stilton]

TD do you have a picture of the FEdEx 767 cockpit ?

[Jet II]

I'd be rather surprised if the ABX system alters the information or format from the original CRTs

It doesnt - they are a straight swap.

[pattern_is_full]

Folks - please note that piratepete is talking about upgrading from the original 767 cockpit. 1981 era.

http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/7/7/1/0943177.jpg?v=v40

Circular "clockwork" altimeter, airspeed and VVI, discrete RMI. Three clockwork backup instruments, as opposed to one unified LCD backup.

A few CRTs scattered around, but some with only one function (AH, for example).

The flight deck has been "remapped" - since you now have to look for an altitude "tape," or a skinny little rectangular VVI.

It's not a long walk, and thousands have made it - but it does require a change in "eye-muscle memory" to find and interpret some of the indicators.

[barit1]

Seeing the ABX references above reminded me of a ca. 1992 visit to ILN and the ABX shop. They had acquired DC-9's from many operators and were stripping them for cargo container use. One was getting a belly reskinning - they weren't messing around.

One DC-9 was getting a prototype glass-cockpit conversion, an attempt to increase reliability and reduce operating costs. What happened to this project? :8

[dusk2dawn]

Not FEDEX but Star Air 762SF (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Bxfv1TU9tlXL6VzG311l8euLPrair1DU2Q) with Rockwell-Collins.
The Nokia is not part of the upgrade.