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NutLoose
15th Mar 2017, 12:51
:eek:

Small drone 'shot with Patriot missile' - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39277940)

A Patriot missile - usually priced at about $3m (£2.5m) - was used to shoot down a small quadcopter drone, according to a US general.
The strike was made by a US ally, Gen David Perkins told a military symposium (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v7nfB5bV3E&feature=youtu.be&t=14m54s).
"That quadcopter that cost 200 bucks from Amazon.com did not stand a chance against a Patriot," he said.
Patriots are radar-targeted weapons more commonly used to shoot down enemy aircraft and ballistic missiles.
"Now, that worked, they got it, OK, and we love Patriot missiles," the general said.
However, he suggested the strategy was probably not economically wise.
"I'm not sure that's a good economic exchange ratio," he told an audience at the Association of the United States Army's Global Force symposium in Alabama.
"In fact, if I'm the enemy, I'm thinking, 'Hey, I'm just gonna get on eBay and buy as many of these $300 quadcopters as I can and expend all the Patriot missiles out there'."
'Enormous overkill'

No further details of the encounter - such as how recently it took place - were given, but Gen Perkins did describe the party that launched the missile as "a very close ally".
"It is clearly enormous overkill," said Justin Bronk, a researcher at the Royal United Services Institute.
"It certainly exposes in very stark terms the challenge which militaries face in attempting to deal with the adaptation of cheap and readily available civilian technology with extremely expensive, high-end hardware designed for state-on-state warfare."
Mr Bronk also told the BBC that Patriot radar systems, while sophisticated, might struggle to target a small quadcopter effectively.
Patriot missiles were first produced in 1980 and are operated by 12 countries including the US, the Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The missiles themselves travel at five times the speed of sound (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20594466), whereas a quadcopter drone typically has a top speed of 50mph (80km/h).
At you Amazon :p

H Peacock
15th Mar 2017, 12:54
Ahh, but it wasn't a US Patriot that was fired - it was a US ally!

NutLoose
15th Mar 2017, 12:56
Beat you to it, I had already amended the title ;)

Tashengurt
15th Mar 2017, 15:59
"They were particularly sharp mangoes!"

Stuff
15th Mar 2017, 16:27
I'm seriously impressed that it targeted and fused on such a small target. :ok::D

Pontius Navigator
15th Mar 2017, 16:34
Of course a $300 drone can target something of far greater value.

There are lots of other asymmetric targeting examples such as a PW from a Typhoon against a Toyota or a mud hut.

PDR1
15th Mar 2017, 16:38
I actually don't believe the story at all, for that very reason. I don't actually know, but I would be surprised if the Radar system was configured to acquire a target that small and slow.

PDR

DirtyProp
15th Mar 2017, 16:43
I sense a business opportunity here.
For 1/10th of a Patriot cost I will target drones using the latest green technology.
Now, where's me check?

AhDG_WBIQgc

Davef68
15th Mar 2017, 20:39
Another drone equipped with a shotgun a cheaper option perhaps?

trim it out
15th Mar 2017, 23:10
Of course a $300 drone can target something of far greater value.

There are lots of other asymmetric targeting examples such as a PW from a Typhoon against a Toyota or a mud hut.
I concur. Plenty of Javelin Millionaires out there.

NutLoose
16th Mar 2017, 00:17
Oddly enough shotguns are not far from the truth


Anti-drone net launcher can down a quadcopter from 100 metres | WIRED UK (http://www.wired.co.uk/article/anti-drone-net-launcher-downs-quadcopters)


of as in Japan


Tokyo police are using drones with nets to catch other drones (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/01/21/tokyo-police-are-using-drones-with-nets-to-catch-other-drones/)

onetrack
16th Mar 2017, 01:42
Sounds like something NK would do! Or was it SK knocking out a NK $200 major attack??

You gotta watch out for those $200 Chinese quad drones, they're downright dangerous; the sooner they're seriously disabled, the better!!

Pontius Navigator
16th Mar 2017, 11:41
Patriot has a faster reaction time than a drone interceptor and a bit of additional overtake :)

Bladdered
16th Mar 2017, 12:25
Surely you just jam the signal between the operator and the drone and it crashes. I have heard that this has been done in the UK? Not legal to use the kit in this country but............:mad:

tmmorris
17th Mar 2017, 09:55
An ex RAF tac comms WO offered to build me a drone jammer a few years back...

(D**** Gr****** if you know him)

Bing
17th Mar 2017, 12:03
Surely you just jam the signal between the operator and the drone and it crashes.

Depends on the drone, most of the ones you buy in the shops will carry on flying as the controller is just telling them where to go not how to fly. I think they try to return to the launch position in the event of a loss of link.

gr4techie
17th Mar 2017, 14:11
There are lots of other asymmetric targeting examples such as a PW from a Typhoon against a Toyota

Ive always wondered where they get their Toyota pick up trucks from? Is there a Toyota dealership in Mosul? While watching news footage, I did a double take as I saw the insurgents drive past in a brand new Toyota Hilux, some online sources even quote they had optional extras.
http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/ht_isis_toyota_july2014_lf_151006_16x9_992.jpg

In all seriousness, Toyota must be making a lot of money out of these conflicts.

Maybe Bae should start making (relatively cheap) pick up trucks.

NutLoose
17th Mar 2017, 14:16
I don't know, the warranty claims must be horrendous...

"No, honest guv, the truck bed fell apart all on its own, and I swear we never had an Anti Aircraft gun operating in the back."

melmothtw
17th Mar 2017, 14:31
You're not the only one who's wondered that, gr4techie -


U.S. seeks answers from Toyota after carmaker's trucks appear in ISIS videos | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3262837/U-S-officials-demand-answers-Toyota-convoys-carmaker-s-trucks-SUVs-appear-ISIS-videos.html)


US Officials Ask How ISIS Got So Many Toyota Trucks - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-isis-toyota-trucks/story?id=34266539)


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/us-officials-question-toyota-over-how-islamic-state-obtained-suvs-pick-up-trucks-spotted-in-videos

Pontius Navigator
17th Mar 2017, 14:36
Obviously from an adjacent friendly state with a good sea port, or does Iran make them under licence?

Pontius Navigator
17th Mar 2017, 14:39
Apparently this year's model is only $20,000 if Saudi