EK ATH to EWR

[yada.yada.yada]

Emirates opens Athens ? Newark service from Mar 2017 :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/271003/emirates-opens-athens-newark-service-from-mar-2017/)

[fliion]

Let's see how this goes down with the new Sec at DOT once DL/UA/AA lobbyists have a sit down.

[speedbirdhopeful1]

Looks like decent timing. Can EWR take a 380? How long before they'll be given an opportunity to upgrade their infrastructure to take it? Will be interesting to see how this pans out flying into Trumps's home city in competition with US carriers.

[donpizmeov]

No US carrier flies the route. So is it competition? A good trip for the Boeing fellas.

[speedbirdhopeful1]

No US carrier flies the route. So is it competition? A good trip for the Boeing fellas.

From the article -
Currently, United and Delta operates Newark – Athens and New York JFK – Athens route (respectively) on summer seasonal basis. Delta converted this service from year-round to summer seasonal in October 2012

[donpizmeov]

Ok. They compete a few weeks a year. I was wrong.

[fliion]

Reuters predicting push back

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-emirates-airline-fifthfreedom-idUSKBN15716K

[Kapitanleutnant]

So... instead of "only flying 100 hours" a month, guess the 777 boys will be up to 105 average now. Amazing........

And Newark is not Trump's home city... just fyi.

K

[notapilot15]

Without CM, Timmy will rush A380 deliveries and send those to all sorts of places. Only 100hrs still a possibility for T7 crew. This will continue until owner loses shirt on their back. Lets hope they are not dipping into personal savings.

[BDD]

WOW!!!! CM is out already?


BDD

[Matvey]

Looks like decent timing. Can EWR take a 380? How long before they'll be given an opportunity to upgrade their infrastructure to take it? Will be interesting to see how this pans out flying into Trumps's home city in competition with US carriers.
No 380s at EWR. It was never in Continental/United's plans, so the airport operator didn't do the runway or terminal upgrades there. They did the Code F upgrades at JFK, and told airlines if they wanted to bring the whales to New York, they were free to do so at Kennedy.

[TwinJock]

Zagreb on the cards as well.....

[luchtzak]

Partnership for open & fair skies responds furiously: Americans furious over Emirates' fifth freedom flight from Dubai to Newark via Athens - Luchtzak.be (http://www.luchtzak.be/organisations/partnership-for-open-fair-skies/americans-furious-emirates-fifth-freedom-flight-dubai-newark-via-athens/)

[donpizmeov]

Yawn. There is a surprise.

[glofish]

Agree, no surprise here! Just as there is no surprise about EK's answer by TC's pal P.G.:

If America and President Trump would like some of the expertise from Dubai, I'm sure we'd be pleased to assist

That must go down their throats like nectar and honey ..... :ugh:

[donpizmeov]

Yep...as bad as each other.

[fatbus]

The world revolves around the US legacy carriers! NOT!

[The Outlaw]

Fatbus,

...nor does it revolve around EK and the ME3.

[fatbus]

Couldn't agree more!

[Talparc]

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13963645/2/note-to-trump-if-you-back-u-s-labor-then-block-emirates-athens-newark-flight.html

[virginexcess]

You might note that UAE and Saudi were left off his recent list of banned countries, despite 911 being perpetrated by UAE and Saudi citizens. Pehaps it's just a coincidence that the Prez has business interests in both countries.

[Una Due Tfc]

There must be quite a few nationals from those countries flying for you lot down there no? Crewing just got even more complicated I'm guessing

[birdy340]

A very good movement from EK.

[g-code]

We will see if this sticks for EK. It's seasonal for United because the loads go off a cliff after summer is over.

Gonna need a lot of olives and feta in the cargo hold in the winter months.

[Talparc]

Friend,

I wanted to let you know that last week we began to see exciting traction in our fight to enforce the Open Skies agreements and protect U.S. jobs.

Last Thursday, President Trump called a meeting at the White House with U.S. airline CEOs. He was not only aware of subsidies by foreign competitors, but he also firmly said he wanted to help U.S. carriers compete. We see this as great progress, and we want to say thank you because President Trump said that he got the message on Open Skies from you.

“A lot of that competition is subsidized by governments, big league,” said President Trump. “I’ve heard that complaint from different people in this room. Probably about one hour after I got elected, I was inundated with calls from your industry and many other industries, because it’s a very unfair situation.”

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Email the White House here
Now is the time to amplify what others are saying about unfair competition by the Gulf carriers, too. Here’s what Paul Bedard, the Washington Examiner's "Washington Secrets" columnist, had to say about our fight. President of the Air Line Pilots Association Tim Canoll wrote this great op-ed in the Daily Caller. Also, I joined CNN International’s Richard Quest to showcase how enforcing Open Skies will protect over 300,000 U.S. aviation jobs.

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[Talparc]

Latest Article on Open Skies

Crying the Blues at Emirates and Etihad | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/crying-the-blues-at-emirates-and-etihad_us_58a20358e4b0e172783a9f18)

[Emma Royds]

Talparc

Be careful for what you wish for.

As EK employees, it might be in our favour to ensure that the status quo remains? With wafer thin yields and diminishing profits, the last thing we need is a curtailment to the planned or current network, which would be even worse.

I have little time for senior management either but I personally wish that their bloody nose comes from elsewhere.

[Saltaire]

The problem is that the well written article forwarded by Talparc speaks nothing but the truth. The ever expanding 3M will come to an end at some point and it appears to be soon. In that, we are all in for some rough times. These people are brutal when times are good! Can't imagine the cut backs when things get genuinely bad.

[Talparc]

http://www.openandfairskies.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/03.06.17_NJNY-Open-Skies-Letter-Sires.pdf

[Aluminium shuffler]

Enforcing the Open Skies agreement fairly? Seriously? What about the huge advantages the US3 had under Chapter 11 for over a decade? Were they banned from everyone else's airspace? Typical US protectionism and hypocrisy.

[shedsd330]

Please tell me which US Big 3 was working under Chapter 11 for a decade?

[what_goes_up]

It's not that a single airline was under Chapter 11 for over a decade. But over a long period of time they have filed and been protected by Chapter 11 which is an absolute no no outside North America.

Continental Airlines: SEP 1983 to JUN 1986
US Airways: AUG 2002 to MAR 2003 and SEP 2004 to SEP 2005
Delta Air Lines: SEP 2004 to SEP 2005
American Airlines NOW 2011 to DEC 2013

[clear to land]

If Ch 11 didn't exist-which effectively stops Darwin theory and is unique to the USA- then the survivors would be stronger and richer-and who knows maybe even able to compete with non-US carriers. Whilst Ch 11 exists the US will never compete on a level field-look at the number of British airlines, European Flag Carriers and major Australian airline that all ceased to exist due to not having Chapter 11-which is how business is supposed to work. US airline executives are loudly crying wolf with any protest against EK (note I am being carrier specific here as the Qatar CEO has stated he doesn't care about profit-an altogether different animal).