CIA Falklands Solution

[chinook240]

The CIA planned to give the Falklands to Argentina if the country won the war against Britain over the islands, declassified CIA documents have revealed.

Brits living on the island were to be paid to leave and relocated to Scotland 'or elsewhere where conditions may be similar to the Falklands'. Anyone who opted to stay would become an Argentinian citizen, meanwhile.

http://www.forces.tv/06684174

[Pontius Navigator]

The report is not quite true as giving the FI to Argentina was not in its gift. It was a peace plan and would have been funded by Arg/UK. Typical journalistic spin.

[Mogwi]

Yup, back of a fag-packet suggestion by a low-grade operative with no in-depth appreciation of the problem - or of Maggie - or of our military prowess!

[Lonewolf_50]

I hope you realize that if the Argentines had won that war that the Falklands (well, at that point Malvinas) would not have been the CIA's to give ... to anyone.
For that matter, they weren't the CIA's to give before that war either.


Suggest you apply some critical thinking to such claims and statements.

[racedo]

For that matter, they weren't the CIA's to give before that war either.


Amazing that US with all their intelligence assets embedded in Argentinian military did not know about Argentina moving thousands of troops to FI.

Course RR was building up USN to I think was it a 400 ship Navy (could have been 500) at same time as Maggie T was flogging off RN to whomever would buy it.

Post FI Maggie T couldn't do enough for RR including Cruise missiles at Greenham Common. Always love coincidences.

[Tankertrashnav]

It should be remembered that while the USA was outwardly remaining neutral, the limited UK supplies of aviation fuel on Ascension were quietly replenished by the USA from strategic stocks held there.

[SASless]

By the way....it was a 600 Ship Navy we were building.

Granted there was no way we could afford to sustain such a fleet or man it with sailors who got to live on dirt with any regularity or length of time.:uhoh:

[PersonFromPorlock]

What strikes my (American) eye is that it reads as though the author were British rather than American. Just an observation I don't want to make too much of.

[India Four Two]

It should be remembered that while the USA was outwardly remaining neutral,

And they delivered AIM-9Ls

[fleigle]

Meanwhile our "friends" the FFrench, delivered Exocets......:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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[Fonsini]

The CIA has something of a credibility problem these days. Perhaps El Prez will defund them, that would be interesting :}

[stilton]

Don't think that's right FG,

Thatcher was able to prevail on the French not to deliver any more Exocets after hostilities
started and incidentally, despite many attempts by the Argentinians to obtain more through
'other sources' these were cleverly defeated by UK intelligence, who prevented any more
acquisitions while taking many millions from the argies in several 'sting' operations.

[Whenurhappy]

The decision to land by the Amphib task force was made very late in the day (about DDay-2). The British Defence Attache did report the build up of amphbious forces (preparing for an exercise), and this was noted in the UK, but time and distance meant that very little could be done, apart from the Naval Shore Party of RMs holding out to demonstrate UK resolve and intent.

[Fonsini]

The revelations about us executing Argentinian prisoners came as a bit of a surprise, but then war is a nasty business.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109429/A-dirty-war-British-soldiers-shot-dead-enemy-troops-waving-white-flag-Argentinian-prisoners-bayoneted-cold-blood-An-ex-Para-tells-horrors-Falklands.html

[ORAC]

By the way....it was a 600 Ship Navy we were building. Granted there was no way we could afford to sustain such a fleet or man it with sailors who got to live on dirt with any regularity or length of time. Reagan Doctrine - "Rollback", the point wasn't to achieve the target, along with the other elements it was to bankrupt the USSR by making them to compete with an economy a tenth the size of California' s let alone that of the whole USA.

Which succeeded.

A useful reminder to Trump when facing up to Putin - and a warning when competing against China.

Reagan Doctrine - Conservapedia (http://www.conservapedia.com/Reagan_Doctrine)

[Pontius Navigator]

Executing prisoners and killing soldiers attempting to surrender are two different things. Not right but different.

Then remember the Arg had killed two carrying a white flag.

[West Coast]

Executing prisoners and killing soldiers attempting to surrender are two different things. Not right but different.

Distinction without difference.

[MACH2NUMBER]

The USA should understand the Falklands Islander's issues. The real Islanders are hard, tough, self reliant people who believe in Democracy. They are very akin to many Americans who live in remote areas of the North-West. However, from previous very bad experiences, they distrust all politicians - a common theme across the World. They do love the Queen and the UK military, who provide a large degree of protection. They want this umbrella to continue. Maybe the new US president would understand.

[air pig]

M2N, if I remember correctly, they complain if they don't see any low flying rather than the other way around.

[MACH2NUMBER]

Quite Correct Air Pig. If they don't see us flying around, they fear we have gone away!

[Dan Winterland]

The only place in the world where I recall getting noise requests.

IIRC, there was only one farmstead which used to complain, and as they were of Argentine descent, they used to get it anyway!

[Rheinstorff]

Amazing that US with all their intelligence assets embedded in Argentinian military did not know about Argentina moving thousands of troops to FI.

Course RR was building up USN to I think was it a 400 ship Navy (could have been 500) at same time as Maggie T was flogging off RN to whomever would buy it.

Post FI Maggie T couldn't do enough for RR including Cruise missiles at Greenham Common. Always love coincidences.
Racedo,


The decision to deploy Ground-Launched Cruise Missiles to Greenham Common and to Molesworth was taken in 1980, so the late-unpleasantness with Argentina would not have been a factor.


IIRC Richard Aldrich's book GCHQ has a chapter on the Falklands War and why there was little advance intelligence of the invasion. Essentially, the Argentinean high command was very security conscious and orders were transmitted by hand through a very limited number of trusted officers. That, coupled with an almost last-minute decision to invade, ensured that the chances of detecting what was going to happen very low.

[West Coast]

No matter the thread, Racedo gets shot down in his attempts to slag the US.

[NutLoose]

Falklands 'war crimes' claim: MoD investigates allegations that Paras shot Argentine prisoners | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/falklands-war-crimes-claim-mod-investigates-allegations-that-paras-shot-argentine-prisoners-1540755.html)


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12741877.War_crimes_charges_ruled_out___Falklands_veteran_wh o_wrote_battle_book_welcomes_decision_/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/war-heroes-or-murderers-a-police-inquiry-must-rule-when-death-on-the-battlefield-is-a-crime-john-1542024.html

The one I remember, I believe an Argentinian officer thanked him at the time for what he had done.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20161016/281625304825910

[racedo]

Meanwhile our "friends" the FFrench, delivered Exocets......:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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But they already had them.

President Mitterand provided UK with lots of details of what Argentina had plus the capabilities of the Missiles and Aircraft plus was supportive of London's retaking of the Islands,

[racedo]

The decision to deploy Ground-Launched Cruise Missiles to Greenham Common and to Molesworth was taken in 1980, so the late-unpleasantness with Argentina would not have been a factor.



Ah good point thnx for correcting the history.

Pre Invasion MT really was drawing down military in her sell off of RN ships and didn't it appear to get the Military. Probably not surprising even though she had quite a few WW2 Vets within her cabinet.

A succesful war changed all that and the protests against Cruise Missiles were never going to succeed following the US support in the war.

However had the war never happened in all probability MT would not have been leader in the General election, much less win it, Tory grandees would have loved to dump her.

Tories were at 27% in late 81 and not much change into 82 then jumping to 50% in June 82. Even during war they got 40% in Local elections and still lost seats.

FI war saved Tory party from being decimated by SDP and a likely no winner in the General Election.