Emirates running out of sky?

[The Range]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-01-05/is-emirates-airline-running-out-of-sky


I think they just forgot the most important thing, the employee.

[pilotguy1222]

Seems to be the one thing consistently ignored, even when stepping on us.

Interesting article to read, and with STC's comments at the end, gives a tiny bit of credit to a recent rumor the he and AAR will be "out" soon.

[Nikita81]

I think they just forgot the most important thing, the employee. The writer of this article wanted to meet me and talk about the e-mail I published about redundancies in DnataTravel. I told her I don't live in Dubai anymore and that everything I have to say for the press is written on my blog. Now, she had the chance to read other articles there and ask me about them, but she chose to ask only about redundancies which, indeed, means that she didn't write much about working conditions in EK on purpose.

[notapilot15]

They never forgot the employee, they constantly working on squeezing one employee at a time.

[Nikita81]

There are two factors of Emirates' seemingly sudden fall: greedy growth and rotten organizational culture. Both of them are equally important. The author of the article only analyzed the consequences of the growth, hinting the lack of union, law and employees' satisfaction. Therefore, this article is not objective nor completely informative.

CM can cut as many costs and allowances as he wants - treating the symptom of the disease is not a cure. He is trying to stop the cancer spreading, but if he wants to treat the cancer itself he has to regain the trust of EK's employees. To introduce some rules and justice. To respect people and their dignity. To not underestimate human intelligence and their capability to undermine the company by not giving their best at work and by spreading the bad word about the company.

Seems that big companies grow up until the point when everyone start to think of it as an autonomous organism. A company is a synergy of everyone involved. Cutting the costs is just a defence mechanism, a partial thinking, if done without healing company's human resources. And it seems, as always, that nobody deals with people at this sensitive moment. It might be the very reason why there is no salvation for EK...

[Whairdhugo]

Well said. 👏 👍

There is no hope. I've always said it's not a matter of if but when.

The house of cards teeters...

[exekcabincrew]

Interesting article. Slight hints on how EK is not playing by the rules and how its business model may run into serious trouble.

Even more interesting is that 9 hours after publishing this story, Bloomberg published another story on Emirates about how the company spends 500M to get their customers the best wines in the sky.

Must have been a coincidence, I doubt someone from EK called Bloomberg offering some fat advertising contract or something... :D

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[Plane and simple]

Must have been a coincidence, I doubt someone from EK called Bloomberg offering some fat advertising contract or something... :D

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Interesting observation. However, I would propose that this article proves exactly the opposite.

Bloomberg is worryingly mainstream for an anti EK headline.
It's almost as if nobody at HQ has the authority to throw "shut up money" at dissenting voices anymore.

There will be more like this to come. The business world was truly amazed at the rise...... now they are eagerly awaiting the fall.

[halas]

Human resources chief Abdulaziz al-Ali says (staff complaining about curfews and visitor restrictions in Emirates-administered housing) is necessary because “we know a little more about this country than foreigners who come.” He insists that employees are happy—so much so, in fact, that “there is no reason for them to become unionized.”

:hmm:

halas

[Nikita81]

On my appeal meeting Mr. Mattar (AS DSVP) tried to convince me, when I asked about the salary (again), that many people are happy with having only 2 Dhms for breakfast. It's not about the money, he said, it's about finding the way to be happy with what you have.

Of course, I wanted to ask him about his salary and how much his breakfast costs, but I was already in trouble for asking about Anoma Manuel's salary. I did say, however, something in those lines.

I also wrote Mr. Abdulaziz al-Ali a whatsapp message (I've got his personal number) and asked for my end of service money. He never responded. I guess he thought I was happy with nothing.

I guess we should all be happy and proud that we work or have worked for such a magnificent company. Salaries are just an irrelevant and small additions to the glory of being a part of the history. And if you die of hunger or exhaustion, well, you should still be proud. You made a history.

[notapilot15]

It is not a easy task for CM. There are too many plane orders, there is flab in wrong places, cannot cut workforce overnight with such low morale, less oil money sources, LCCs are eating away, competition got into shape, non-stops are more viable with low oil prices, premium yields are down, loads are low, cannot send STC home and cannot cut marketing budget because Brits will turn on you.

Its a web CM has to fight through.

[Nikita81]

He needs a team, of course.

[BigGeordie]

He needs a team of about 65,000. If he can't get the employees on his side he has no chance.

[Yarra]

He needs far less than that....bloated departments and inefficient work practices is what he needs to address...

[GoreTex]

since I left last year I still come back to PPRUNE to read about EK, its so funny, its a comedy show and you never know what they do next, besides loosing their "working" employees they keep the "non working" and now they even start destroying their product, they had it all and now they are so screwed.

[notapilot15]

Wine article would make sense if premium cabin yields are high and high percentage of premium passengers are paying for their ticket.

With low yields and F/J cabins are filled with free upgrades and free raiders, expensive wine means deeper hole.

[A6EchoEchoUniform]

Wine article would make sense if premium cabin yields are high and high percentage of premium passengers are paying for their ticket.

With low yields and F/J cabins are filled with free upgrades and free raiders, expensive wine means deeper hole.

My understanding is that upon checkin Economy passengers get offered a business upgrade for 2000-4000 DHS for ULR. Business passengers get offered a first upgrade for 4000 DHS. Those are awfully small numbers in the grand scheme.

[donpizmeov]

Any proof notapilot? Not true on the flights I am doing.

[White Knight]

Same same Don...

[The Outlaw]

Don & White Knight,

Full flights do not mean positive yield. We operate many sectors at a loss to provide through passengers on more lucrative routes. Airlines all over the globe do this. Free upgrades occur on every flight, ask any station manager for details.

What concerns me is QR, who have a better suited fleet to ride the downturn, I'm sure they have "other" advantages that none may speak of.

Cost per passenger seat mile. Hard to compete with 787 and 350 that burn about half of the A380, even the T7 is a front runner but alas, it has no shower and bar for Ms. Anniston...what to do?

Maybe passengers will only by Y class now so they'll get a chance to meet her and play video games.

Hellof Tomorow.

[on time all the time]

I was wondering if the problems Emirates is going through was not made of 3 different points, 2 being errors of strategy.
1) The fact that 2 other middle eastern companies are going through the same sort of gigantic expansion, therefore competing for the same customers.
2) Wrong choice of fleet or should I say too many huge aircrafts and no smaller ones which could help cushion the drop of business on some routes (Keep the route but put a smaller aircraft for instance).
3) and maybe the most important to me. Is Emirates not going totally wrong by keeping the 7 across config in its new B777 business class cabin when more and more adopt a 4 across? The seats look nice and bling bling but the individual minibar may not be enough to lure customer in a config which is now considered as of another era.

[Praise Jebus]

Seat sale in Oz at the moment AUD1400 return to London...sounds like low yield to me but hey, I'm just a pirate....

[glofish]

on time all the time

You are so wrong, buddy.

1) The ME competition is negligible. EK can scrap two hulls and still end up ahead in a safety listing.
2) EK has the absolutely correct fleet. Operating 92+ dugongs is an unseen success. All other airline managers are completely wrong in snubbing this aerodynamic marvel, according to STC. What would we need smaller aircraft for?
3) 7 abreast on T7s is no problem at all. No one complains anyway, because they are all upgraded from the 9 abreast Y-class. And if you still don't like it, wait until all 140+ dugongs are deployed on every possible route, then even the silly minibar is obsolete because you will have a superb full-size bar to wait until you will eventually be served without trolley on a 76 business seater.
4) to PB: There is no sale on at EK. STC said himself "We open the doors and they flock in!"

[notapilot15]

Don, you need proof of falling premium class yields and ticket prices. Straight from horse's mouth. There are multiple interviews since June '16

The only reason I could think of why Costa dwellers like just two type model, in a flexible fleet model they cannot squeeze crew like they do now.

[harry the cod]

Glo

What are these 9 abreast y class aircraft you speak of? If only..........

Other than that, love the sarcasm.

Harry

[SOPS]

Harry, check out SIA 777. 9 accross in Y , 4 accross in J. And having flown Y in a 777 SIA aircfaft, it is heaven compared to 10 across.
Sorry, now have picked up the thread, sorry Harry.

[Jet II]

Etihad used to have 9 across in Y - not sure if they have changed that though.

[glofish]

harry, right you are ..... wishful thinking ..... EK operates the horrible double digit. :{

[fliion]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-01-05/will-it-be-a-borderless-world-for-emirates-under-trump

Good interview with author

[nolimitholdem]

Turkish also has the 9-across in Y. But EK's onboard product quality has been slipping for years. Buying Skytrax awards doesn't fix that.

EK's crammed space is truly shocking towards the end of a ULR drudge. Like the steerage section of the Titanic. Of course, one gets a good whiff of it all as they wearily attempt to make their way from the "*Crew Rest Compartment" at the back...

*CRC: the made-up EK term, unsanctioned by Boeing, who actually designates the rear bunks as "OFAR" (Overhead Flight Attendant Rest) and the proper flight deck rest area as the "OFCR" (Overhead Flight Crew Rest) compartments.

Never did find out how EK got regulatory approval to locate the pilots 180 feet away from the flight deck in such a amateurish setup. Just glad I now have the proper compartment as designed by the manufacturer, no more silly cart-dodging.