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felixthecat
8th Dec 2016, 09:53
Am I reading this correctly ......
Wherever possible days off are taken at home base..... 'Wherever possible' being the crux?
We used to get a minimum of 8 days off in 28 averaged over 3 months and now it is 7 .... ??? (Looked in old OMA and it was 7... I thought it was 8....Old age creeping up...)
Cabin crew get 8 days off in 28, and we get 7....????
:ugh:
my salami
8th Dec 2016, 10:05
Am I reading this correctly ......
Wherever possible days off are taken at home base..... 'Wherever possible' being the crux?
We used to get a minimum of 8 days off in 28 averaged over 3 months and now it is 7 .... ???
Cabin crew get 8 days off in 28, and we get 7....????
:ugh:
It actually changed a couple of years ago...
felixthecat
8th Dec 2016, 10:16
Oops :ok: Been here too long :oh:
Mr Good Cat
8th Dec 2016, 10:20
Is this a joke or serious?
They're not going to guarantee your few days off each month to be at home? Jeez, things are imploding at an exponential rate.
Having left and looking back, for a short while I wondered if maybe I was perceiving things to be worse than they really were. But now I actually think they could maybe been much worse than I had possibly realised. For me personally, that FCI would confirm to me that I had lost any last threads of freedom and I'd be severely depressed about the prospect of days off not seeing my family. What would be the point of existing that way, irrespective of the money in the bank every month?
EDIT: Maybe I'm only looking at it from a family-man point of view - I suppose it's not an issue for twenty-something single FO's... but you can't crew an airline only with that demographic.
777-200LR
8th Dec 2016, 11:52
The FCI is an a$$ covering measure so that 'postponed' dedicated freighter pilots could not report that they were only getting 5 days off at home base. There are very few pairings on the B777 pax fleet that have days off down route. Now they have the FCI to back it up.
felixthecat
8th Dec 2016, 12:57
Might be A$$ covering but it's there when they need it ��
Zulu Tango
8th Dec 2016, 15:15
What it fails to mention is sick days are also included as days off!
777-200LR
8th Dec 2016, 17:00
Might be A$$ covering but it's there when they need it ��
Agreed! And from the last pilot meeting; "the 777 fleet has become duty limited". Could well happen
felixthecat
8th Dec 2016, 17:13
Guys now who are loosing the days off after trips when they have called sick...... !!!
natops
11th Dec 2016, 18:52
They did that to me, 😡
Mach.888
12th Dec 2016, 04:13
It's been SOP for a long time to remove your days off after a trip if you go sick. Nothing new.
lospilotos
12th Dec 2016, 06:07
It's been SOP for a long time to remove your days off after a trip if you go sick. Nothing new.
Days off are to recover, if you are sick you are hardly recovering...
natops
12th Dec 2016, 07:14
Thats correct.
And we try to plan our life in the few days we have off. If I go sick, I might still have things planned on my planned days off.
This rule might be there for a long time, but I think its a bs one. One of the many.
donpizmeov
12th Dec 2016, 08:55
Get it together natops. Days off are just that, days off. If you need to do something you use sick days.
Divertnow
12th Dec 2016, 12:09
I know someone who was removed from a ULR through no fault of their own and they took his days off either side too! Why? Because the two days prior and after are associated with the ULR duty. Total bullsh1t in my opinion. Some crap excuse that someone else needed those days off if they're to fly the duty. Really?!
Trader
12th Dec 2016, 12:36
It can work in your favor though. If you have a ULR prior to your leave insist they change the 2 leave days after the flight to OFF days and add them on the end. Rostering tries this little trick quite often and, when confronted, will change it.
nakbin330
12th Dec 2016, 13:18
It can work in your favor though. If you have a ULR prior to your leave insist they change the 2 leave days after the flight to OFF days and add them on the end. Rostering tries this little trick quite often and, when confronted, will change it.
This exact thing is happening to me this month. I'll write to them and let you know what happens.
troff
13th Dec 2016, 12:41
They will tell you that the two days off after a ULR only pertain to the next duty and since you don't have one…
Trader
13th Dec 2016, 15:07
troff- then you have to argue with them about it. If you call in sick those 2 days become AD's. if that is the case then it should work similarly in every case. They cannot have it both ways.
ruserious
13th Dec 2016, 16:39
Really why not, they seem to in every other aspect
zk-dxb
14th Dec 2016, 08:07
So you need 2 local nights to recover before your next duty after a ULR but it's ok to use 2 of YOUR leave days to recover before you can utilize and enjoy the rest of your leave? Ah, no.
fjordviking
14th Dec 2016, 09:13
Nothing new, happened to me a few times. I worked for EK 03-07. It was standard rostering practice to schedule ULH flight due to arrive back in DXB day before your leave.
Or
Three days off an afternoon DOH then leave 😡
felixthecat
14th Dec 2016, 18:14
I would love to see the Costa Coffe brigade being told to work Friday and Saturday because they were sick Wednesday and Thursday!