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NutLoose
14th Nov 2016, 23:15
Well, sort off.
Royal Yacht it is not: Prince Harry to sleep on tanker vessel during Caribbean tour (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/14/royal-yacht-it-is-not-prince-harry-to-sleep-on-tanker-vessel-dur/)
The fact that the Royal Navy has had to make available a tanker which is in short supply demonstrates that a new royal yacht that is fit for purpose for promoting trade is desperately needed by this country."
Must be good for some Admirals promotion chances, I could imagine the conversation
"Excuse me we need a ship for a Royal tour"
"No problem, let's see what's available, Tug, Lugger......ahhh Tanker, no problem Sir, we have just the thing available."
Jimlad1
15th Nov 2016, 03:17
The same tanker that has been on station for months and which is a regular on these deployments?
Nothing to see here except more desperate attempts at outrage.
ShotOne
15th Nov 2016, 08:16
No, not outrageous, just arguably a missed opportunity. The case for a Royal Yacht is as a sales tool. Counter-argument of course is that some of the many deals signed on Britannia may have been done anyway.
NutLoose
15th Nov 2016, 09:07
Not outrage, just the feeling that this is the standards that our country have sunk to when doing a royal tour.
Not for one moment do I sign up to the argument for building a new royal yacht in these austere times, but I do feel we could have done better, this projects the image of the UK to foreign countries, and a tanker in any shape or form projects just one image.
We talk the talk about being a world leader, projecting a force on the world stage, yet when it comes down to backing that up by presenting ourselves to the world, a knackered old tanker is the best we can put up as a backdrop to a high profile tour.
Even your third world leaders can do better.
Well his G/F is a paralegal who is doing well in law school - perhaps she can sue the government for failing to provide a Royal Yacht for her and her beloved.
PDR
ExGrunt
15th Nov 2016, 09:55
As a historical aside, I was watching 'The Crown' on netflix which used a bit of real archive footage of HMY Britannia arriving in Gib in 1955 escorted by thirteen destroyers of the Med Squadron.
How times have changed - not sure that the grey funnel line could manage to put thirteen destroyers to sea at once anywhere these days.
Wensleydale
15th Nov 2016, 10:19
Trials for a new Royal Yacht have already taken place!
http://your-hols.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Prince-Harry-learns-how-to-paddle-a-traditional-Maori-waka-on-the-Whanganui-River-480x320.jpg
sled dog
15th Nov 2016, 10:31
Why not use an heavier than air machine....? HRH looks rather unsure in that Waka .
Danny42C
15th Nov 2016, 10:42
Perhaps a Charter could be arranged with Sir Philip Green ?
Danny42C
15th Nov 2016, 10:48
sled dog,
If that canoe stops suddenly...........he'll have a "heavier than air machine" on top of him all right !
D.
Molemot
15th Nov 2016, 10:54
Danny....your post #9....brilliant!!! Still spluttering here....
The Oberon
15th Nov 2016, 11:03
Does this make him Tanker Trash?
a knackered old tanker
It's 13, hardly knackered or old.
andytug
15th Nov 2016, 16:41
Maybe he asked for something RAF to sleep in and someone transposed the last two letters by mistake?
NutLoose
15th Nov 2016, 17:04
Bing, it's the MOD, the hull is maybe 13 years old, but they probably filled it with surplus junk Sir Walter Raleigh would recognise.
downsizer
15th Nov 2016, 18:26
Mil aviation relevance?
Hangarshuffle
15th Nov 2016, 18:55
All above me here is bollocks. If you want to really get away with another fawning gin palace with a flag for the exclusive partying of a a tiny few do the following;
1. Build it in Britain and use British owned/based companies to do that, preferably for political reasons in England (very difficult now, that post Thatcher but not impossible (Birkenhead or Barrow maybe...long shot south coast).
2. Populate it with a smattering of fawning volunteer RN as SME but use local young civvy kids as cleaning up fodder crew, pretend they're onside and pay them nowt as a privilege.
3. **** it off round the world as an gawp fest oddity ASAP to gain intrest.
4. Tie in sponsorship from the usual suspects (BAE, BA, Virgin, BT) and other gong issue demanding Sirs.
The British way.
#
Bing, it's the MOD, the hull is maybe 13 years old, but they probably filled it with surplus junk Sir Walter Raleigh would recognise.
Having been on her sister ship I'd say they hid any cost cutting rather well, it's a significantly cushier number than one of his gran's boats. Of course it's built to merchant shipping regulations so they can't cram the accomodation in like Pusser would for starters.
NutLoose
15th Nov 2016, 19:46
Downsized, it has a helipad
BEagle
15th Nov 2016, 19:47
Hangarshuffle is exhibiting his customary grumbling lower deck shoulder chips....
Of course Great Britain should have a proper Royal Yacht crewed by the RN. Anyone who disagrees should be incarcerated in the Tower at HM's pleasure.
noflynomore
15th Nov 2016, 22:07
Poor old hangarshuffle. Overfill with bile today, did we?
It must be such a burden to have to live in such a dreadful place as Britain.
Couldn't you find somewhere better and more fair, more societally balanced, like Cuba, or Belarus, or N Korea?
Do try, please!
Out Of Trim
15th Nov 2016, 22:49
I'm sure the Wave Knight is capable of throwing a decent cocktail party.. Just rig an awning over the Helipad, some tables and chairs and a bar! Shiver my timbers, it's not that difficult!
If the Royal Family want a new Royal Yacht; I'm sure they could afford one! I'll even contribute to a fund if necessary. As long as I get an invite!
ImageGear
16th Nov 2016, 15:13
Perhaps a Charter could be arranged with Sir Philip Green?
I would rather his bucket be confiscated and sold off to fund some of the pensions of the employees who have had their retirement prospects wiped out.
Alternatively, a local port is well endowed with eastern and middle eastern floating pleasure palaces. Anyone of which would make a very grand Royal Yacht and if the right one was appropriated and the cultural bling gutted out of it, it might have the de rigeur DAS and "ancillary" equipment. :ok:
Imagegear
NutLoose
16th Nov 2016, 15:55
I would rather his bucket be confiscated and sold off to fund some of the pensions of the employees who have had their retirement prospects wiped out.
Agreed, it should be illegal for any company to be able to access the pension fund, period.
Agreed, it should be illegal for any company to be able to access the pension fund, period.
Erm...it is.
PDR
Warmtoast
16th Nov 2016, 16:34
BEagle
Anyone who disagrees should be incarcerated in the Tower at HM's pleasure.
OK - I bags Anne Boleyn's cell, but please make sure the axe is sharp!
WT
downsizer
16th Nov 2016, 16:41
Nutloose said
it has a helipad
Indeed it does, but the thread you started has fook all to do with mil aviation and is yet another example of the pointless triv that largely fills this forum and makes it less and less relevant to the few serving members left!
I now await the witty "don't like it, don't read it posts"...:ok:
Lordflasheart
16th Nov 2016, 17:55
Mil aviation relevance ?
As well as bing a cushy ship, Wave Knight also has a Lynx Mk 8 which must be jolly useful for runs ashore and they can probably arrange a bit of rough shooting too, if one should get bored at sea between port visits, viz: Royal Marines sniper brings six-hour drugs chase to end as Wave Knight delivers £40m blow to traffickers | Royal Navy (http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2016/november/11/161111-wave-knight-drugs-bust)
Perhaps a word of caution for her Lynx pilot - if their ex-hooligan VIP should be heard to mutter “Hello sailor, I nose a bit about hicopleters, can I ‘ave a go ?” he might be well-advised not to let him anywhere near the controls, to ensure they don’t have to send for another one.
LFH
..............
downsizer
16th Nov 2016, 19:02
LFH,
The embarked Lynx wasn't the story though was it? It was yet another filler thread by a poster who likes to clog the forum with ****e.
NutLoose
17th Nov 2016, 08:55
PDR I was talking past tense.
PDR I was talking past tense.
Well you have to go a long way back into the past - back to the Maxwell incident in fact.
Philip Green didn't raid the pension fund - he may have been less than generous in putting new money in, but he didn't help himself to anything that was in there. In this regard the BHS pension fund is only one of the more extreme cases of the fall-out of the change in pension accounting rules back in something like 2003, which exposed previously unrecognised shortfalls in pension funds.
Before that you can go back to the tory governments of the Thatcher and Major era which actually forced companies to take "pension holidays" because they thought they were using the pension funds as tax-shelters for profits.
Then there was Gordon Brown's tax raid on pension funds in 1997. The combination of the two created these unsuspected unadequacies in pension funds. By the time tit was realised we'd moved out of prosperous times and most companies literally couldn't afford to make-good the shortfall in any rapid timescale. In order to do that we need to return to an economy with higher growth, producing higher investment returns so that the funds can pay their liabilities from investment earnings rather than capital.
The "credit crunch" kinda put the kibosh on that, and this stupid Brexit malarky is likely to destreoy any remaining probability of addressing it this side of hell freezing over.
People will just have to accept the consequences of their decisions.
Here endeth the sermon!
PDR
fallmonk
17th Nov 2016, 10:59
Give it a couple of years and he can have a aircraft carrier, minus the aircraft 😜
Now he could throw a heck of a party on that ,
In all seriousness we probably should have a royal yacht , IF it's to benefit UK industry,maybe the should either pay for it or at least contibute a sizeable amount.
BAE etc,has made a lot cash out MOD maybe time to give a little back as a investment in there own future.
NutLoose
17th Nov 2016, 11:48
Downsizer
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here. Hence the post. If some of us didn't post anything, it would soon become a dull place, simply consisting of the cap comp.
Coochycool
19th Nov 2016, 17:53
I've spotted just the thing. Already crewed. And going free gratis!
Just got to find the thing now. When are we getting those P-8s again?
Rat-infested Russian ghost ship drifts towards Irish coast (http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/rat-infested-russian-ghost-ship-drifts-towards-irish-coast-1.1666881)
Hangarshuffle
21st Nov 2016, 21:48
Sorry fallmonk I now disagree. Think they missed the boat by about 13 odd years. We talked about this as a crew at that time, we that then served RN. In fact in "The Officer" magazine it was well laid out how it could be done.
Times move on. We haven't the RN paid staff, and I don't think the public taxpaying voter would wear the cost. In my drink I thought it could maybe still do it if RN trained SME took charge of young British kids as some sort of training ship with a spin off with transporting the Royal Family....
Its not going to happen. No of us really deserve it... least the Royal Family, less even the RN. The country is in a different place and moving into a new time, even I see it.
Apologies for the bile. Age, drink and at times anger make me so.