EK/QR/EY ? WY?

[artlite]

There were posts regarding which place is best to go in the middle east at the moment, but they're quite outdated now.

I'd like to ask straight and to the point - what is the best choice regarding such a career move for a:

30+ F/O with 737NG experience of 3 years and just slightly above employment criteria.

I am not married but live in a committed relationship and would marry (sic!) :mad: if deemed necessary or practical.

Forgive me not but I'm also not a big fan of arabic culture with all its orders and prohibitions therefore

My priority is to earn as much as possible and not be there more than 3 years.

I'd say unless I send back home 20 000 AED monthly this move is neither feasible nor reasonable.

[xhamster]

My priority is to earn as much as possible and not be there more than 3 years.

I'd say unless I send back home 20 000 AED monthly this move is neither feasible nor reasonable.

If your alone you can save 20,000AED - you will have to budget, hold back on things and generally be a tight-ass but if that's your goal, it can be done. This budget will not be achieved if you bring your partner along and she does not work.

[AlanPardew]

Moving to EK as an FO you will no send back anywhere close to 20k a month.

Living costs are astronomical and inflation is usually around 8% a year (already 3.99% this year and that's according to govt website), I can't recall a pay rise even matching inflation in over 10 years.

There is a big slowdown happening now at EK, expansion is stopping for a few years so you will probably be looking at around 10 years to an upgrade. Once you upgrade if you budget you could send back 20k a month if you live alone.

As for not being keen on an Arabic culture - I can't speak much for the other areas but for me Dubai isn't really much diffferent (day to day) to Europe, Oz, the US if you live and socialise in a predominantly ex pat area - like the Marina. You will hardly notice you're in the Middle East, apart from the heat. You will quickly notice a different mentality in management 'style' though....

Everyone has their own opinion and experiences.

Hope that helps, if you want more info then PM me I'll be happy to advise, it's a massive move.

The general feeling among my circle of friends here and back home is that Qatar or an airline in Abu Dhabi would be the best option now for a move to the Middle East.

Alan

[donpizmeov]

Think you need to take a look at the QR rosters. Pay is about 15% behind EK as no provident fund. Management sacked the tail scrappers on the Boeing not that long ago. So don't think it is the rose of the sandpit.

My mates from EY have all left there. So don't know how that is going these days.

If you want money. Go to China. Take a mask.

[Jack D]

I believe QR now has a form of provident fund ? Introduced fairly recently .

[felixthecat]

You won't save 20k a month in EK in Dubai as an FO with a wife.

[Arewegettingjets]

Just out of interest, if you lived in the company accom on single income, what would one save per month? Living a normal lifestyle like in Australia or Europe.

[xhamster]

As for not being keen on an Arabic culture - I can't speak much for the other areas but for me Dubai isn't really much diffferent (day to day) to Europe, Oz, the US if you live and socialise in a predominantly ex pat area - like the Marina. You will hardly notice you're in the Middle East, apart from the heat.


I respect your opinion but I disagree. It is very different day-to-day experience than Australia, US and Europe. As far as Arabic culture is concerned, you don't get that at all. What you get is a GCC labour culture.

[Jetkopite]

I believe QR is the best option at the moment.. Their pay is very similar to EK and yes they do have a provident fund which is 10% the company and 5 % employee contribution.. Also they get guaranteed 4-5 days off every month and leave every other month which makes going home every month fairly easy... In saying that its not Dubai but getting there..

[EY_Airbus]

Is it possible to commute to the UK on the B777/787 fleet with the unmentionable?

Depends how you define 'commute'. It is definitely not a commuting contract as it's a full-time position. You can break your 6 weeks leave into 1 week blocks. They automatically give you 1 day after this so you have 6 x 8 day blocks. In theory you should be able to request days off (max 4) after this to create 6 x 12 day blocks but this never works either because the system is crap (good luck getting just a desirable layover request) or because the crewing people manually put a stop to this.

[bigdaviet]

If saving money is your goal at EK you are far better taking the allowance. If you live in a 1 bedroom apartment you will save a quarter to half of it depending on the area.

If you're "not a fan of Arabic culture" I wouldn't even recommend a move to Dubai never mind the other two. China seems to be the place to go if all you're interested in is money.

[The Turtle]

Agree with all said above......and have a look at China

[dhc8d]

You don't like arab culture but don't mind arab money hmmmm great spirit

[Jetkopite]

You don't like arab culture but don't mind arab money hmmmm great spirit
Haha another confirmation that pilots are no different to prostitutes...

[momo95]

Forgive me not but I'm also not a big fan of arabic culture with all its orders and prohibitions therefore

What exactly is "Arabic culture with all its orders" ? I know of Arabs who have it in their "Arabic culture" whereby people go to church every sunday, have a glass of wine with their dinner, walk around semi naked, get drunk ..... all arabs and certainly their "culture" ... belly dancing ...


I think you are confusing religion with culture, Arabs exist in all forms. Be careful making such broad generalisations.

But more to the point I think you were trying to make .... Dubai is anything but an Islamic city.

[too_much]

I don't think 20k is realistic 10-12k is more likely what you could save and send back home. Just to be totally honest having lived here for 6+ years alone...

[Stallone]

20,000 AED as an FO, highly doubt so

[artlite]

Sweet, thank You for all your information. I decided to apply to qatar (how long is the cirograph anyone?) and only worry if I make it, meanwhile browsing chinese offers. I might consider OmanAir too as transition between types for 737 would be less painful.

Yes, I'm a prostitute. Sadly, past my prime and cheaper than most expat football players in qatar stars league. Next incarnation I'll definitely reconsider some of my past choices.

[luvly jubbly]

Sweet, thank You for all your information. I decided to apply to qatar (how long is the cirograph anyone?) and only worry if I make it, meanwhile browsing chinese offers. I might consider OmanAir too as transition between types for 737 would be less painful.

Yes, I'm a prostitute. Sadly, past my prime and cheaper than most expat football players in qatar stars league. Next incarnation I'll definitely reconsider some of my past choices.

Actually appreciating your honesty on here.
You won't save anywhere close to the amount you imagine, and can quickly find yourself In deeper debt.
Best of luck whatever you decide.

[QRpilot]

Depending if you get on to the 787 or 777 you can expect 45k-50k Riyals per month. (including all allowances and flight pay)
If you take a cheap accommodation (8-12k) and don't buy all fancy stuff, you should easily be able to save 20k a month.
Maybe Dubai is very expensive, but Doha is quite reasonable if you live a normal life.

[Flyboy_SG]

Artlite, I presume you are an FO flying in the USA. From what you have posted, you will regret for leaving your present job. Be it QR/EK/EY/WY. US aviation is booming, stay where you are. If I had an airline pilot job in US, I would never leave US ! No matter what the money is. Always remember that there are many things in life more important than money !

On the other hand, If you are already out flying somewhere, and better money & decent lifestyle QR/EK/EY are equally good. Each one of them have their own advantages and disadvantages. WY 737, you'll be doing a lot of night runs and multiple sectors.

Transition from 737NG to 777 is easy. You would find 777 as a better version of 737 in many aspects but inferior in very few aspects. 777 long haul flying is much relaxed than 4/5 sector 737 flying and comparatively lesser cockpit workload.

[Flyboy_SG]

Think you need to take a look at the QR rosters. Pay is about 15% behind EK as no provident fund. Management sacked the tail scrappers on the Boeing not that long ago. So don't think it is the rose of the sandpit.

My mates from EY have all left there. So don't know how that is going these days.

If you want money. Go to China. Take a mask.


True. One of the Pilot is my friend. He is still looking for a job. All he did was sit and watch in jump seat when it happened.

[Flyboy_SG]

Is it possible to commute to the UK on the B777/787 fleet with the unmentionable?

I'm not interested in EK or QR, just the other one.
Thanks\\

The roster on the 787 is really good now with 10-15 days off in a row ! No idea about 777.

[Akrep]

True. One of the Pilot is my friend. He is still looking for a job. All he did was sit and watch in jump seat when it happened.

Well if you dont speak up when some one decides to use an intersection that leaves you less runway then all the other available full runway lenghts your OPT tool calculated was unachievable then Halas.

[luvly jubbly]

Well if you dont speak up when some one decides to use an intersection that leaves you less runway then all the other available full runway lenghts your OPT tool calculated was unachievable then Halas.

The above is valid only IF that person was involved in the performance calculation or was briefed about the full length/intersection calculation.

[Flyboy_SG]

Well, quite a coincidence. Just their bad luck. If It was me, I would be extra conservative in such an airline.

Like the good old adage says....Runway left behind,fuel Left in the truck and altitude above you is of no use.

[hborn]

Maybe a stupid question from an interested outsider:
Why isn´t anyone in this thread even mentioning GF?

[Luibar]

Maybe because GF has no vacancies for FO or only accept A320 rated pilots. Just my guess...

[UAL777]

You can easily save $5,000 per month if you work for QR... You can save even more if you rent an apartment with someone...I fly for United now but I can tell you honestly that the money in QR was good compared to what I'm earning now( due to income taxes).. I do get more time off though than I ever did in QR.

[Left Coaster]

Luvly Jubbly...it's simple, you sit in my flight deck? You are part of my crew... and I expect and welcome your input. No one is perfect and if you see, or even think you see anything that I or we missed I expect you to speak up! Loud and clear! To infer that by sitting in the flight deck as part of a ULR crew and only "sit and watch" and then let that size of an error happen without speaking up and then say he is innocent is naive and down right foolish! I would encourage you to rethink your statement.

[xhamster]

Luvly Jubbly...it's simple, you sit in my flight deck? You are part of my crew... and I expect and welcome your input. No one is perfect and if you see, or even think you see anything that I or we missed I expect you to speak up! Loud and clear! To infer that by sitting in the flight deck as part of a ULR crew and only "sit and watch" and then let that size of an error happen without speaking up and then say he is innocent is naive and down right foolish! I would encourage you to rethink your statement.

If your not involved in the performance calculation you should not be expected to challenge a crew using an intersection to takeoff. The aircraft is certified to be flown by two pilots, not four.

And you cannot expect them to challenge an intersection lineup based on their 'eavesdropping' on your pre-departure briefing. Tell me, when you give the pre-departure briefing on are you briefing the backseaters? Highly doubt it - unless you like talking with the back of your head.

And how many backseaters have the confidence to challenge what should be menial tasks like accepting an intersection take off? especially towards Captains who refer to the flight deck and the crew as 'his'.

[Talparc]

By the way briefing the 'backseaters' is SOP in a lot of companies

[xhamster]

By the way briefing the 'backseaters' is SOP in a lot of companies

Can't remember if it was SOP in mine, but it certainly wasn't done.

[motley flight crue]

Xhamster, worst and laziest airmanship ever

[xhamster]

Xhamster, worst and laziest airmanship ever

Thanks Motley. But if it's not SOP and the operating Captain doesn't call the other two guys in for a group briefing, would you expect a junior FO to say 'excuse me Captain can you include us in on your briefing please?' Get real.

[motley flight crue]

X, you don't need to be involved in the briefing, just listen and look at the performance. I'm sure the jumpseaters in the Melbourne incident we're thinking to themselves 'damn, why didn't I just look at the performance figures'

[xhamster]

X, you don't need to be involved in the briefing, just listen and look at the performance. I'm sure the jumpseaters in the Melbourne incident we're thinking to themselves 'damn, why didn't I just look st the performance figures'

Agree and personally I always did, like many others. But I don't think it was (not sure about QR) to have 4 pilots cross-check the performance calculations. It's very easy to Monday morning quarterback on these things and cite words like 'airmanship' and 'laziness', but the reality is that it has happened, more than once and I'm trying to take the point of view of the backseaters - if they were not involved and were not required to be involved by the SOP, then they shouldn't be held accountable. And perhaps they weren't included on the brief by the PIC, so how many guys in this situation, who hasn't calculated the performance figures, would now challenge the crew on their take off figures as they are crossing the runway hold point? In reality, probably not a lot. Anyway, major thread drift. I would like to see this taken to another thread or get back to the original of how it's a financial waste of time for an FO with a family to come to UAE!

[CAP B767]

What about nowadays is working in the unmentionable airline? I noticed that they open for DEC on the B777 .

[EY_Airbus]

What exactly is your question? There are many 777 FOs waiting for an upgrade - I don't know why they would be advertising for DECs.

[what_goes_up]

What exactly is your question? There are many 777 FOs waiting for an upgrade - I don't know why they would be advertising for DECs.
Might take a bit longer for those FOs. They are currently recruiting DEC on B777 according their web page.

[fatbus]

If they can't get enough new FOs they can't upgrade any, hence DECs

[Pequena_Inquieta]

Depending if you get on to the 787 or 777 you can expect 45k-50k Riyals per month. (including all allowances and flight pay)
If you take a cheap accommodation (8-12k) and don't buy all fancy stuff, you should easily be able to save 20k a month.
Maybe Dubai is very expensive, but Doha is quite reasonable if you live a normal life.
True. Dubai is a bit more expensive, but it all depends on what kind of life you wanna live. I didn't go crazy while I was there and managed to save some money as a CC without making too much effort. I was living my life just like I would have back home.
----
I finally joined my 777 FO husband in Doha once and for all and don't plan to work anymore. We can't complain about the salary. He's just like me and has his feet on the ground, not living a fancy life just because the salary is good. We live in a nice area, do and buy whatever makes us happy and still save over 20k. It's totally manageable to save that amount with a stay-at-home wife, as long as she's not buying LVs and Louboutins all the time (a common problem, I can see). To be honest, now that I'm finally here I'm guessing we'll be saving even more, since we'll eat more at home and I'm monitoring the expenses on a spreadsheet, on which we defined a considerable limit for each item. You just have to be wise.
Lastly, he's very happy with the job. :ok:

[CAP B767]

I really prefer to live in Abu Dhabi than in Doha. I know that the pay is higher in QR but I prefer a little less money but a better place to live.

[Talparc]

And Abu Dhabi is a better place? Had a good laugh!
AUH and DOH are both f... sh... holes

[Jetlag787]

On the unmentionable, could someone please tell me if they still offer a villa for married FOs with kids? Their website just says company housing, if available, or a housing allowance. I have two kids and would definately need the villa. How much can I expect to hit my bank account every month as an FO on the 787 and how many years to upgrade? Anyone currently working at the unmentionable please reply or hit my inbox. Thanks.

[Sallytraffic]

major thread drift. I would like to see this taken to another thread or get back to the original of how it's a financial waste of time for an FO with a family to come to UAE!

Can anyone expand on this please?

Hamster - sent you a pm. Cheers

[Dixi]

I would keep away from one of them...it is the less paid job amongst the 3bigs...unless you join on Boeing fleet where at least you have a good lifestyle.Yet Money won't be good but al least You Will have a life.Airbus ops....90hrs a month and 7-8 days off...and it is going to stay that way....money is running out but show must go on.They will keep losing people but it is what they want and new hires have lowers T&C in terms of end of service.No pension not enough schooling all as well as housing all.Unless you join as a single or you come from somewhere where the exchange rate is still very good or personal safety is an issue it is not a good deal.

[Left Coaster]

Hamster...As I am the one ultimately responsible for the whole flight, then yes, the flight deck is mine. (not ego driven, it's simply fact, I have no ego left after 30 years in this crazy business...) I welcome and encourage all crew members to challenge any thing at any time, Where I work it is expected and encouraged for ALL who are present in the flight deck to follow what's going on, and to speak up, regardless of rank if they see or are uncomfortable with anything. Xhamster, I don't know where you work, but I would be very careful if I were you to not let ANY rank impede safety. (Does Asiana in SFO ring a bell?) As for where to work, if you want/have to, in the ME? One has changed the numbers after an accident to restrict upgrades, and routinely flies their crew to 90 hours a month. Another hasn't had a pay raise for years, and the other place is a tough place to live. Hope that helps avoid the thread drift?

[EY_Airbus]

^^ what Dixi said. Silently the end of service payment has been reduced for new joiners who leave within 5 years (or something similar). Add this to a basic salary that hasn't changed in years, and is below that of EK and QR. The end of service payment is not a pension (i.e. does not get invested). You also get no Audi pickup to and from work, company accomodation isn't great hence most take the allowance, but this allowance doesn't go far because it also hasn't changed in years despite a constant increase in housing (and other life costs) in UAE. AUH is far behind DXB in terms of being a good lifestyle city for an expat, yet the rental prices ate higher and the range of choice less.

You don't get profit share, just a very small performance/corporate bonus (max 1 month), however this year it was not paid due to bad financials (but they made more profit than ever before).

A380 B787 B777 are the best fleets in terms of roster, lifestyle and income. But why anyone wants to give up their job at home to come here even on those fleets is beyond me.

[bluelearjetdriver]

What Dixi and EY Airbus said. Be very careful. People are leaving an incredible clip (7% plus turnover on FD crew)....

[xhamster]

Leftcoaster - I tend to use the words 'our fligthdeck' rather than 'my flightdeck' etc. that was the point of that sentence. We all know who wears the 4 bars - but the tone and choice of words coming from the commander does have a big impact in the way the message is received by other crew members.

Agree with the above. The package needs updating. It's always lagged behind the other 2, but is now lagging even more. Abu Dhabi will never catch up to Dubai in terms of being the better city to work and play.

[Motorcycle2014]

Hello there any one can tell me who is to work in Oman Air, lifestyle, cost of living and if i can save money?

Tanxs

[bringbackthe80s]

A380 B787 B777 are the best fleets in terms of roster, lifestyle and income. But why anyone wants to give up their job at home to come here even on those fleets is beyond me.

Stability, safe place to live, career progression on any aircraft you want, good work life balance when on the right fleet, free housing, free schooling, business class tickets around the world, 8 months of nice weather, good salary.

Could this be a start?

[bluelearjetdriver]

bringbackthe80's, just to clear up any misconceptions (as it applies to the company south of DXB),
1) If you ge onto the "wrong" fleet your life will be 90 hour multi sector days with 7-8 days off per month. There is definitely no progressing onto "any aircraft you want". Some get lucky, some don't.
2) No free housing. If you want a reasonable place (for a family), the chances are good that you will be supplementing from your own pocket. Also bear in mind that Abu Dhabi does not have rental price increase controls. So what looks reasonable one year suddenly becomes 10%+ more expensive the following year. Also the selection of what's available is plain lousy. The company housing is very limited, and generally in what most people would consider a "moon base".
3) No free education. Good luck finding anything within the schooling allowance budget. You will be fortunate to find anything under 45k for primary. The allowance is 36k. Once again you will be supplementing.
4) Business class tickets. Yes, but, no, but, yes, but, no, but........
5) No provident fund. Only an end of service benefit. After 8 years in the company you go home with about €100,000-00 if you got your command (and that's at today's exchange rate of €1=AED3.95)
6) Safe. Yes
7) Stable. Not on the "wrong" fleet, if roster stability is what you are after. As for the company, well, let's hope the oil price goes back up to $90 per barrel pronto.

Unfortunately the above information is not easily available, and how it actually affects you is difficult to interpret unless you live here.

[bringbackthe80s]

To be honest I was thinking of another company in the region, which recently has some good feedbacks from people working there.
But really good info, thank you.

[Ghost_Rider737]

Left coaster - always remember nothing in this life belongs to you.

keep that in mind when briefing. - Especially in the Middle East.

[EY_Airbus]

Stability, safe place to live, career progression on any aircraft you want, good work life balance when on the right fleet, free housing, free schooling, business class tickets around the world, 8 months of nice weather, good salary.

Could this be a start?

Sadly, the only point I agree with you on this is the 'safe' bit - yes street crime is almost non prevalent, but don't get too complacent. In Abu Dhabi an American lady was murdered in the toilets of an upscale mall. I also believed an Emirates pilot was attacked viciously in his own home with a knife by an Emirati. Career progression on any aircraft you like? Good luck with that! Free housing and free schooling? No such thing as a free lunch my friend. Don't you mean 8 months of bad weather? Business class tickets around the world? Your once only annual ticket is confirmed economy only. Prices of confirmed business have increased greatly, and again are subject to availability - meaning during school holidays you can forget it. Standby all the way bro, and then you will be damn lucky to get an economy seat during peak period.

[EY_Airbus]

To be honest I was thinking of another company in the region, which recently has some good feedbacks from people working there.
But really good info, thank you.

I would think that the pros and cons of working in this part of the world would apply to all of the big 3. Each will have their own specific advantages and disadvantages

New joiners or people who have gone past the PNR and have to 'commit' themselves to the big 3 will always put a positive spin on what it is like. Human nature. Better to have a chat with somone who has left. As there are many of recent leavers right now, I can get you in touch with some of them :)

[pilotcpb]

For the original poster, you should at least upgrade before you come to the ME3. Upgrading or changing aircraft is highly subjective and based on who you know and also on luck. QR is upgrading some folks but many others have been thrown under the bus. If you have a stable job at home then don't even think about the Middle East.

[xhamster]

I think the younger ones are happier coz they get laid more.

[Officer Kite]

I think the younger ones are happier coz they get laid more

Standing by for a recruitment video where a guy may actually say this ...

[Dixi]

"Take it or leave it "is the music playing at the moment and that's why guys are leaving.No reason to complaint...organise yourself and get ready to go like many guys are doing.Airbus fleet is a no go in my opinion....If you join It you are going to fly like hell with 7-8 days off/month.The near future will see airbus fleets flying to the subcontinent and the gulf while the super one together with Boeings going to the good places .Layover allowances are based according to the continent you fly to...guess who make less money.You see people everyday going to work as they would go on holiday and people going for the 6th consecutive day of work before their SINGLE day off or something close to that ...facts!
No rewards for the hard workers in terms of fleet change at least everybody would swallow the same crap...you joined on the wrong fleet or you where not enough connected...shame on you.
Now ask yourself these questions and make up your mind to find if it is Worth staying/joining...
Can you see yourself lasting a career timeframe getting 7-8days off,consecutive nights or early morning, late nights and minimum rest 80%of your yearly roster ?Is it worth staying and going to work when you are aware that there are different standards of living according to the Fleet you are on And no matter how bad it is you will only get by your managers these words"yes we know it is hard work"to make you happy at that particular moment.Yes they have to be blamed but unfortunately the kind of operations airbus fleets are involved into do not allow any major improvement so once again....Provided the basic standards of living are guaranteed(personal security ,social security,healthcare,schooling etc)If you have to struggle and work your back off Would you rather be doing it at home or where you really get rewarded?
Thankfully life is still good and too short so you better think about it

[EY_Airbus]

^^what he said again. So sad. So true. Thankyou for telling it how it really is. A320 life at the unmentionable has not improved since its introduction many years ago. Join on the 320 and it's a death sentence :{

[striker26]

Dixi, im under the assumption you are primarily talking about the unnamed airline, which from my sources tell me as well, is indeed a tough roster on the a320. The 320 is a workhorse in the middle east and i completely agree that they will start using the a320 on more medium haul routes like eastern europe because they would pay thier crew half what it would cost to operate a 777/350 on the route. i wanted to know how long have you and EY_Airbus been on the 320? Does seniority play a role and are you looking to upgrade fleet or to captain? From a few friends i have they tell me they are just waiting to upgrade - either fleet or to captain for a bit.

[EY_Airbus]

Let me clarify for you what I mean by 'death sentence'. Time frames can vary but it is not uncommon to follow this career path:

Enter EY as 320 FO. 2 years later get 330 CCQ. Remain 320/330 FO for another 2 years. Upgrade to Captain - go back to 320 single fleet. 2 years later get 330 CCQ. Remain 320/330 PIC for another 2 years. Now move to 350 (maybe). Do the math: that's 8 years consecutive on the 320. Gaining a 320/300 qualification is not an 'upgrade'. Remember you can be 320/330 and fly the 330 once every 2 months. Somge get lucky, some don't. Having the 320 on your licence is like a disease that won't go away and keeps kicking you in the ass.

[striker26]

Ah - well said, makes sense now. Mixed fleet flying can be advantageous but i can see how the airline is cashing in their favor to cover their a320 schedule! Sad to see, if the unnamed airline is a choice for some, i would only apply as DE long haul fleet.

[Wildduke]

When you are mixed fleet rated 320/330, does that mean that you have to do double sim every 6 months?

[xhamster]

When you are mixed fleet rated 320/330, does that mean that you have to do double sim every 6 months?

No. You alternate between types in the sim every 6 months as each is valid for 12.

[EY_Airbus]

I cannot PM you for some reason, so here are your andwers:

- EY has 787 sim and you will probably do your assessment on it
- I recommend taking the housing allowance over company accomodation, but you will be out of pocket probably considering you have wife and kids
- discounted tickets after 3 or 6 months in company I can't remember
- discounted tickets for life? never read anything official but have heard something about 10 years....but I think by 5 you will want to pull the pin anyway :p

Good luck

[Berealgetreal]

QR sounds the go. Can anyone with experience there provide a run down.

[320wonder]

stay at home and become a captain....
wanna see the world?
stay at home and become a captain, after 1500PIC on a 737 you can easily join as a DEC on 777/787 anywhere in S.E.A region.

Home + PIC 737 = Happiness.
Expat + DEC on 777/787 after your PIC 737 = Happiness .

FO 4 years(that's if you're lucky maybe much longer) + another 2-4 years as NB captain ... = ....?

[pilotcpb]

QR sounds the go. Can anyone with experience there provide a run down.

Yeah, don't do it.

[PPRuNeUser0192]

Do A320 FO's at EY have a chance to progress to the 787 or 777? Or are Airbus and Boeing fleets completely seperate?