More buried aircraft? This time in Turkey...

[Whenurhappy]

An article from a leading paper in Turkey

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/over-50-missing-warplanes-found-buried-in-central-turkey-report-.aspx?pageID=517&nID=104962&NewsCatID=341

50 FW190s would be quite a find...but somehow I doubt it!

[Stanwell]

Whenurhappy,
This old canard has come up before.
I think we can take that 'report' with the proverbial grain of salt.

You might like to refer to post #299 in the "Spitfires found in Burma" thread on this sub-forum in June/July of this year.
Have a look and see what you think.

[onetrack]

For Gods sake, make sure Cundall doesn't find out about these Turkish FW190's .... :rolleyes:

[ShotOne]

Sounds pretty unlikely. Why would they be buried to begin with?

[Stanwell]

Ah..
But they were "carefully wrapped" before they were buried.
If any attractive females would care to support my expedition, then my BSB number is ...
Please wait a few days 'til I'm able to get back to you.
.

[Wander00]

Ready for a coup that did not happen.............well I can be a fantasist too

[Union Jack]

The old story of the Polish fighter pilot speaking to the girls at Roedean comes to mind, and so does https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/08/05/focke-wulf-fw-190-in-turkish-service/

Jack

[Danny42C]

ShotOne (#4) has his finger on it:

"Cui Bono ?" (who stands to gain from this ?)

[DirtyProp]

“[German authorities] told me that the planes were resistant to corrosion and could fly if they are unearthed,” he said.

Yep, for sure.
And the engines would start right away....

[onetrack]

Yes, of course, you must all know the classic "for sale" ad for the item covered in corrosion/buried in creeper - "Ran when last parked!"

[noflynomore]

And the engines would start right away....
Well, they'd need to if they were to fly away, wouldn't they?

But seriously, if they were properly packed and inhibited there's no reason at all that engines could not be in as-new condition.
Its a bit more of an ask to preserve an entire airframe in cosmolene.

[Danny42C]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Nakajima_Ki84_Hayate_N3385G_ONT_18.10.70_edited-3.jpg/300px-Nakajima_Ki84_Hayate_N3385G_ONT_18.10.70_edited-3.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nakajima_Ki84_Hayate_N3385G_ONT_18.10.70_edited-3.jpg)Ki-84 Hayate (Frank) preserved in California in 1970. As of 2014, this aircraft is displayed at a war memorial in Japan.

Jack (#7),
...The old story of the Polish fighter pilot speaking to the girls at Roedean comes to mind...
Not to my mind ! Gory details, please !

FW190 looks a very potent piece of machinery. Japs had a similar thing on tne stocks at te end of the war (pic above). AFAIK, never got to Burma.

Danny.

[MPN11]

I'm slightly surprised that Danny42C hasn't got a Fw-190 or a Ki-84 in his logbook. He surely had the time when the really nasty work was running down? :)

[Danny42C]

Jack (#7),
...The old story of the Polish fighter pilot speaking to the girls at Roedean comes to mind...
Not to my mind ! Gory details, please !

FW190 looks a very potent piece of machinery. Japs had a similar thing on tne stocks at te end of the war. AFAIK, never got to Burma.

Danny.

[ETOPS]

Not to my mind ! Gory details, please !

OK Danny here goes...

Polish air ace describes his exploits to the girls saying "Fokkers to his left and Fokkers above etc..." Headmistress interrupts with "Of course girls the Focke 190 was a type of aircraft" to which he replies "Yes that is correct but these Fokkers were Messerschmitts :ok:

[Union Jack]

Near enough, thank you ETOPS....:ok:

Jack

[onetrack]

I can guarantee, that even if those FW190's were buried in cosmolene wrappings in the late 1940's, they'll be well and truly Focked by now.
Cosmolene is good for about 20 years at its very best, without being buried. I've unwrapped many a part that was over 20 yrs old, that had been factory-wrapped in cosmolene-soaked paper - and corrosion on the part was still common, even when the part had been shelf-stored.
The simple problem is that alloys are highly reactive, high-grade steels corrode overnight just with a sideways look - let alone poor storage - and burying items is a guaranteed method of ensuring destruction and decomposition within a few years.
The only component I have ever seen dug up and used again after being buried, was a set of crawler tractor tracks for an antique Caterpillar tractor.
They had been buried in relatively dry soil (in California), but they still had substantial corrosion on them - however, the sheer thickness of the metal in the tracks enabled them to be utilised again after sandblasting.

[DirtyProp]

"Cosmoline...keeps my Focker clean..."




Thank you Wiki

[TorqueOfTheDevil]

Japs had a similar thing on tne stocks at te end of the war. AFAIK, never got to Burma


Not Burma - but Chennault's 14th AF in China got a nasty shock when the Ki 84 arrived in theatre, and one was involved in the loss of Thomas McGuire in the Philippines in January 1945, so the IJAAF did deploy the Ki 84 well away from home shores.

[Fareastdriver]

A new Plymouth Belvedere was buried in Tulsa in 1957; it was a time capsule to be recovered in fifty years. When it was dug up in 2007 it was found that the soil had leaked in and totally impregnated it. Not withstanding that it now looks like this.

1957 Plymouth Belvedere Buried For 50 Years (http://classiccarlabs.com/2015/11/07/1957-plymouth-belvedere-buried-for-50-years/)

I don't think the 57 Plymouth that I owned in 1959 in Bulawayo will look like that.

[Octane]

At work about 10 years ago I found a 1938 crankshaft wrapped in cotton impregnated with cosmoline? When I unwrapped it (quite a task), the crank was in mint condition...

[Danny42C]

Octane,

I think "cosmolene" was the stuff our "Springfield" rifles were smothered with after WWI. When they were issued to us in '42 at Advanced Flying School in the US, it had dried-out over the years and was hellish to get off.

D.

[Army Mover]

Cosmoline - one of my extended family served in the USMC during WW2 and got into trouble when his drill sergeant caught him boiling the stuff off the working parts of his new rifle.

[MPN11]

"Boiling it off" rings a distant bell :)