380 CP-Deputy Hard Landing

[SlavePunishment]

:{ :ugh:
heard this rumor that the Local DCP-A380 landed the big Lady so excellently that the subsequent Crew couldn't raise the LG, Fuel jettisoned and returned.

Nothing was in the Techlog since he felt it was a "smooth touchdown". ☠️ For weeks now, ever since it came out the Tosser(M.al-Sw.) who loves to hand out Warnings is on sickleave.

Looks like it might have been his last smooth landing, in EK.
Any confirmations on that?

[Rotating Bacon]

was on board when deputy CP 380 from europe landed so far out of the TDZ that they had to use the last exit, no ASR was filed

[Avid Aviator]

Doesn't matter, so long as you have 2000 hours EK command, you'll be fine!
Inmates running the asylum....

[nakbin330]

was on board when deputy CP 380 from europe landed so far out of the TDZ that they had to use the last exit, no ASR was filed

Not an issue to use last exit if runway is short.

[nakbin330]

heard the rumer that the local CP Dep landed the big bird so excellently that the following crew couldn't raise the LG. Nothing was in the Techlog. Ever since the tosser is on sickleave. Any confirmations?

How is it known that the gear would not retract because of a hard landing previously?

[Odins Raven]

How is it known that the gear would not retract because of a hard landing previously?

Because the struts were stuck half way through the wing root? 👍

[Buckshot]

Maybe needs a stint RHS 330?

[cerbus]

Nothing will happen to him just like nothing happened to the CP 380 years ago when he managed to get the Big Bird in Alpha Floor at 300ft AGL.
He did write the incident up though, "aircraft misbehaving."
What a joke this airline has become. I don't want to be on the airplane or anywhere near for the next incident to come.

[glofish]

Same happened with the CP of another big fleet on the first flight (!) to XXX.
No entry, but the same aircraft had a tire failure on the over-next T/O wich resulted in an ugly and costly abortion.

Nooooooo, no connection whatsoever.

Some animals are more equal ..... :ugh:

[SlavePunishment]

Seems all the Prayers in the flightdeck during flights does not support our Locals for their landings. :oh:
The planing and safe outcome of their landings is a INSHALLA thing.
Seems like Allahs Roster is massively overworked. 😉
SP

[The Outlaw]

...incoming

[palm]

Not a rumor, the guy is on leave until further investigations...it all happened a few days after the 777 accident. Keep discovering. Some peoples are immune others not, watch out guys and have a look to the skipper before letting your family jumping on board.

[The Outlaw]

He better send himself an email about being SK that long...

History has always shown that the risk of an aircraft incident increases exponentially as office/costa time increases...they just don't get the requisite exposure to the "theater of operations" as the talking horse so smartly:confused: stated!

[Jetkopite]

The palm I agree, I have been looking at the flight crew before putting my family on any EK flight for last few years now. When I joined many moons ago this never ever crossed my mind...

[donpizmeov]

You ungrateful pilots. Don't you understand how much time these office dwellers have to spend sending out letters explaining that you should not get sick, or reminding of the consequences of not filing ASR's. It's a full time job. To think they should find the time to also write to themselves is unbelievable. You have been given a few hours away from work each month. Use this time to help them out, and copy paste the letters you have received back to them. It's good for them, and good for the company.

[jack schidt]

Don,

At a European airfield a year or 3 ago, the other DCP at that time was forced to backfile an ASR he "forgot" to file.

The aircraft landed, "assumed" to be hard, and the engineer was consulted while a delay was evident.

The outgoing Captain queried the delay to boarding the aircraft. When finding out the reason for the delay, the outgoing Captain (TRE) filed an ASR for there not being an ASR for the "assumed" heavy landing previously!

Why should one file an ASR to oneself if DCP as it seems to be the case when they were there when it happened!

Jack

[donpizmeov]

Exactly Jack. And they do seem to be on site for many incidents. :) just not enough hours in the day to report themselves.

[Keith Discovering]

Karma, my friends...

[JammedStab]

Where did this happen?

[PositiveRate876]

7246 miles from here.

[The Outlaw]

Don,

Don't forget lazy...ungrateful AND lazy.

I got 8 hours off this month...not all in a row but 8 !

[777boyindubai]

Saw this on AIN Online (with thanks and acknowledgement)

Emirates A380 Captain Exemplifies Home-grown Talent
by Peter Shaw-Smith
- November 10, 2015, 1:12 PM
Captain Moataz Alswaini is the kind of person who makes you realize that it could only a matter of time before half the pilots at Emirates Airline are Emirati nationals. Hailing from Dubai, and at 38, he is the airline’s deputy chief pilot for the Airbus A380 and exudes all the calm of one of the airline’s most senior flight operations personnel.

Alswaini has been at the company for 15 years. He joined in 1999 as a cadet, did two years training in Western Michigan University in the U.S., came home, and did transition training straight on to the A330.

“I flew [that aircraft] for most of my career. I then moved to the Airbus 340, the A340-300 and A340-500, and then I progressed as a first officer on to the Airbus 380,” he explained to AIN. “I had to come back to the Airbus 330 to do my upgrade. I did a year of training and then joined the A380 fleet.”

He flew his first A380 in 2007. “I was one of the first guys who transferred onto the A380. Initially we only flew to New York. JFK has always been a busy sector.”

A full-time A380 pilot will fly 80 hours a month, which, on long-haul, could be only three sectors. Alswaini wants new entrants to be commercially oriented and adaptable. “Open to changes of fleet, changes of rules. [To] being a role model.”

Emirates is known for stringent entry criteria. It hires “motivated, technically proficient and experienced pilots who aspire to excellence.” Minimum first officer requirements include an ICAO ATPL and excellent English-language fluency, to ICAO English level 4 or above.

“We will accept applications from pilots from multi-engine, multi-crew, turboprop and jet aircraft, including business jets, with a MTOW of 10 [metric] tons or more,” the company said. “Our employee diversity of over 160 nationalities is our unique strength as a global organization. Our employee diversity also complements Dubai’s cosmopolitan multicultural population where over 85 percent of residents are expatriates.”

Alswaini has a busy career. “It all depends on how you plan it, manage your life. It’s [the only] job [I’ve ever done]. You just get used to it,” he said. “The pressure, the expansion—you can see it since 2001. The expansion never stops. I could have been a line pilot, had rosters, and still be flying around the world, but I chose this field, and luckily I got it.

“Yes, I do have weekends off with the family. Basically, my wanting to learn has pushed me to seek this position. It’s a demanding job, being a Deputy. It explains why I am comfortable where I am.”

Alswaini does about three flights a month. “I will not be flying the week of Dubai Airshow because I want to attend. I [flew] to Munich on October 25, and in November I am doing London Heathrow and Hong Kong.”

He has several other responsibilities as deputy chief pilot. “We manage operational issues, expansion, SOPs, pilots, with regard to their performance and capabilities. If there is any issue online, we discuss with training how to decide a proper training package. We manage rosters, promotions and vacations, but it’s mostly operational. We take on projects, manpower issues, with planning expansion, whether we are going to recruit more, where we will get trainees from.

“We need experienced pilots. Recruitment is ongoing all around the world, through roadshows. The week [of Dubai Airshow], they are taking place in Australia and the U.S. Training programs have very stringent requirements to cover pretty much all the network. The simulator sessions are very demanding. If they pass these sessions and a number of other requirements, we take them on.”

Being commercially minded is important in an Emirates pilot, Alswaini said. Despite a recent halving in oil prices, he cited the ‘cost index,’ something Emirates uses for flight planning, to decide flight speed. If tailwinds would enable a flight to land well before its scheduled arrival time, throttling back to a more cost-effective speed can mean significant fuel savings and still enable the aircraft to land on schedule. Altitude choice also affects fuel burn.

Though UAE aircraft movements are affected by weather only around 10-20 days a year, other diversions can also be managed. “A commercial-minded captain will choose an airport that is safe and has an Emirates support team that will help with a quick turnaround to continue the flight to its destination with minimum cost,” he said.

The percentage of Emirati pilots at the airline is likely to grow in future, he said. “Well, the word is out. We definitely have more pilots coming in, by word of mouth and by the nature of the job. It’s a good package overall. I can see a lot of potential, of more nationals applying. Recruitment is ongoing. They are doing a great job promoting us through career fairs, through advertising, and the numbers are there.”

AIN asked how many new A380 pilots he will need this year: “The numbers change all the time. We have around 1,100 pilots for 67 aircraft on the A380. The aircraft is fully rostered. Recruitment supplies the manpower. We manage pilots as they come up.

“If they are looking for 100 Emirati pilots, they’ll get over 700 applications a year. The interest is always there. They are never short on numbers. I can see potential for expansion, with the way the airline’s growing, [in] the number of national pilots.

[Pontius]

F*#k my old boots. So glad I don't have to work for/with a conceited t@*t like that. Delusional is the adjective that springs to mind.

Edited to add: is this the prat who bent one?

[777boyindubai]

Pontius, I could not possibly comment on your question "is this the prat who bent one?"

:ok::E

[JammedStab]

From the initial post on this thread,

"For weeks now, ever since it came out the Tosser(M.al-Sw.) who loves to hand out Warnings is on sickleave."

From the magazine article, "Captain Moataz Alswaini is the kind of person who makes you realize that it could only a matter of time before half the pilots at Emirates Airline are Emirati nationals."

[fatbus]

Just the tip of the iceberg. How many other things have been covered up?

[WB1900]

"AIN asked how many new A380 pilots he will need this year: “The numbers change all the time. We have around 1,100 pilots for 67 aircraft on the A380.

the senoritylist tells something differnet:


if I am write we operate 83 A380 and the list says we have actual 729 commander, which is a crew factor of 8,8 (which is a stable number the last recent month)


further we have 759 first officers; crew factor 9,2 also a stable number


the provided 1100 over 67 would be 16.5 which would be double, yes the mentioned DCP calculates with the double amount of pilots


1100 pilots over the 83 A/C would be 13,5 that is already 50% more pilots and a would be a dramatic relieve for every body

[jack schidt]

Many airlines operate with 60% Captains due to management pilots, trainers etc. What is clear is that the line pilots are flying/rostered up to and frequently over 100 block hours per month.

Some management pilots have "very" specialised rosters with a chose your leave and flights as you wish system. Don't get me wrong, there should be benefits to being in management BUT NOT by making those below you do the hard work for you (crappy trips and poor leave allocation). This is certainly not a lead by example management style. In fact, to be able to experience the fatigue and ongoing operational issues, ask those at the top the last time they flew Polar or even NATs, how about we start with a deep night flight!

Transparency is everything as is communication except when there are things to hide (evidence) and there I rest my case.

Good day to all

J

[Talparc]

This mentioned f.... muppet was throwing warning letters at me like confetti.
Questioning his practices and asking his background knowledge on the reason for the warnings he never had a f... clue.
what goes up comes down, thanks Allah for punishing this brat.

[Kamelchaser]

We can only hope the "warning letter brigade" get what's coming to them when and if CM wipes the slate clean.

I hear he's been doing a lot of listening to people about everything that's wrong about EK. I'm certainly considering writing to him about my personal experiences with that side of the company.

Karma is a bitch huh?

[glofish]

(sarcasm on)

I have a win win win proposition:

Why does EK not put the 334 skippers in question onto the planned T7 freighter fleet, the T7 being so much easier to operate than the holy 380. Apparently that would fill the ranks as not enough T7 skippers applied. They could then call MAS back from forc..,. ehh, sick leave and appoint him CPF. He could participate with the huge DH and enlarging part of the operation, no need to land.

1. 334 skippers happy, as they retain the LHS.
2. EK is happy, because they can start the freighter fleet.
3. We would all be happy we could retain the immense personal, professional and aviation experience of this individual as CP.

(sarcasm out)

[MacSheikh]

glofish

Nice idea but they need bums in 380 seats!

[777boyindubai]

Wonderful news. Looks like the silly prick is going to be up for criminal charges as he tried to tamper with the ELOM flight parameters...
Inshallah.....

[Odins Raven]

Wonderful news. Looks like the silly prick is going to be up for criminal charges as he tried to tamper with the ELOM flight parameters...
Inshallah.....

Where'd that info come from?

Good news if true, but thought Wasta would prevail and protect! Can the tide turn in such a way?

[SlavePunishment]

this is seious post! is this confirmed?
did he really try to beautify the ELOM data?
what a poor cheater.
why dont most of these locals and wanabe real pilots admit they should not do this for the next 500 years yet?

[fatbus]

How could he? Is it not shared with Airbus

[SlavePunishment]

How could he? Is it not shared with Airbus

Valid Question.

[Mr Good Cat]

why dont most of these locals and wanabe real pilots admit they should not do this for the next 500 years yet?

To be fair, of all the local pilots I met out in Dubai only one or two were known to be 'of that ilk' as we say around these parts.

Most local pilots, especially the younger guys are exemplary in character and more like you and me than those in the 'Wasta@Costa Brigade' (I've copyrighted that phrase BTW). Not all the locals are part of important families and most work just as hard as the expats.

[olster]

I agree Mr GC. When I was there I liked the vast majority of local pilots; indeed they are of the same character and background of most pilots. Interestingly, this came up in a CRM class that EK pilots although multi cultural 'get on' because the common denominator self - evidently is that they are all pilots. 'Management' is of course a different matter. Anecdotally, the biggest and most arrogant @rse i met there was an A380 'manager' from Europe.

[nolimitholdem]

Anecdotally, the biggest and most arrogant @rse i met there was an A380 'manager' from Europe.

Hmmm, there was some fierce competition for the title, then. The person I always though best met that description and others even less flattering was that American prostitute, the Talking Horse.

He was one of those wondrous breed that insisted on the rank of Captain in spite of never holding a rating on an EK aircraft.

Rapidly becoming a farce.

[Mr Good Cat]

Always made me chuckle seeing that Safara magazine photo of him in a tailored EK Pilot's uniform standing with all the cabin crew in front a 380.

Did they tailor uniforms for all non-flying Managers? Never saw AS or JA in such a pose:

Second from left! :

http://cdn.ek.aero/uk/english/images/P2_tcm275-355573.jpg

http://cdn.ek.aero/uk/english/images/P2_tcm275-355573.jpg

[Jack D]

Lots of " Capts " here who never held a wide body command anywhere ! not to mention never having flown for EK . JA , MM possibly ? , MB , ( AS , TCK ,ED sadly no longer with us ) not sure about HD ? . Oh well !

[Mr Good Cat]

MM and AS both had widebody commands at KT and BA respectively. Not sure whether JA was a 747 Skipper or FO at BA when he originally lost his medical. Neither MM or JA seem the pretentious type anyway. Not really had much dealings with AS only met him once, so cannot say.

[Jack D]

Not sure , AS took 22 yrs to command , just how it was back then, especially if involved in mngmt. Tell me about JA who had a successful military career prior to BA ? The guy is basically sound imho .as is MM but they must survive as we all must . How about the others ? Mini carriers don't count , not enough background to understand our operation . Stand ready to be contradicted .

[crewmeal]

I can't comment because I don't work for EK. Nevertheless an interesting article.

Emirates A380 Captain Exemplifies Home-grown Talent | Air Transport News: Aviation International News (http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2015-11-10/emirates-a380-captain-exemplifies-home-grown-talent)

[Eau de Boeing]

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/584849-380-cp-deputy-hard-landing.html

[777boyindubai]

M Algiveyouawarning letter is on sick leave. Bless him. After THAT landing he needs some time for reflection. It couldn't have happened to a nicer or more humble Sky God. The article doesn't do justice to his modesty...

[pilotguy1222]

I can't comment because I don't work for EK. Nevertheless an interesting article.

Emirates A380 Captain Exemplifies Home-grown Talent | Air Transport News: Aviation International News (http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2015-11-10/emirates-a380-captain-exemplifies-home-grown-talent)

Thank you for posting the article. Someone doing already in this thread clearly wasn't enough. :)

Doubt it is spin as the article is 11 months old.

[The Outlaw]

SK all of SEP, OCT and NOV.

Must of hurt his back somehow....

[Kobus Dune]

...who had a successful military career prior to ...

Albeit a short one, with no command.

[donpizmeov]

I guess he will have a new question for when he starts Command interviews again.

[FL3]

SK all of SEP, OCT and NOV.

Must of hurt his back somehow....

Will he get the attendance review meeting soon?

[Airbuspilot72]

Good blood sucker is gone

[SlavePunishment]

Good blood sucker is gone

Any confirmation that he is gone for good?

[777boyindubai]

Retired with a landing gear busting package.

[fatbus]

Check his roster!

[KippaLippa]

checked. he is back in office duty and short flights.

[QCM]

Don't know what happened with you and this Emirati DCP but I hope he's not into depression and reading this thread,and that he has a great family/friends support around him.
These forums really demonstrate how reporting, exposing privacy,spying rosters and shooting last bullet in s/o's head is your favourite activity...
No more chivalrous spirit in this industry,eagles died replaced by unidentified parrots acting in packs,comfortably hiden behind anonymity (at least they think so...)
Moderators might have been on strike when pictures/name were exposed here...
Even when Red Baron was shot down he was buried with honors by his enemies.

[777boyindubai]

QCM. Clearly you don't have the same love and appreciation of this lovely man as many current and ex EK guys do. Viscious, nasty, bereft of talent and humility are terms that come to mind. He was happy to have all the publicity. No one has named him. Merely provided an article for others to read. Take the rough with the smooth. If this incident had happened to an expat how long do you think they would have lasted? ASR not filled in? Last but not list as Don pointed out the boys do seem to be on hand quite a bit when things go wrong....

[QCM]

Surely you're right on many aspect 777boy and probably there is some revange in the air...my point was just: don't be at the same level as s/o you despise so much!

[777boyindubai]

EK hide behind the lack of Labour Law. The management are the nastiest people I have seen anywhere. I just want everyone to know what they are. People come based on false promises and utter and deceitful lies. Even two crashes haven't don't anything to emolerate the greed and wanton destruction of a safe and well run operation. Thanks for your kind advice and point taken.

[fatbus]

He never had any credibility or respect from other pilots. His being back is a true sign this place has nose dived and too late to pull up.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

fatbus - Check out the Nov roster.

[fatbus]

His October roster was the same and has since been adjusted. One can only hope!

[SlavePunishment]

His October roster was the same and has since been adjusted. One can only hope!

Its not clear at all if he does some jobs or not. Can anyone enlighten me please?
Thanks
SP

[Talparc]

he is for sure again busy writing warning letters.

[SlavePunishment]

he is for sure again busy writing warning letters.

He seems to be back in Business again. At least the Tosser sends out official emails. :{

[palm]

Apparently not an issue for some super smart educate untouchable ( protected) pilots. Just a few SK days and back to the costa to prepare a couple of warning letters....

[Eau de Boeing]

Perhaps we should leave a few on his desk to welcome him back?

[FLEX/MCT]

Turds? Or warning letters?

[777boyindubai]

Donpizmeov. I for one apologise for doubting you. You did indeed say he wasn't sacked. What do certain people have to do to get sacked??!!

[MacSheikh]

His roster shows sick all month.

Is he "fit" for office duties?

[donpizmeov]

Mac,

I think the general consensus is that he is not fit for office duties. ;)

[fatbus]

Never fit!

[flyguy332]

any proof that he had a hard landing? what's the name of the captain that returned after takeoff? i wanna check for my self

[Payscale]

Give it a rest guys! If you dont like the man go tell him to his face and get it over with.

[Talparc]

More Costa for you flyguy, today is happy hour including a Muppet Muffin.

[SlavePunishment]

any proof that he had a hard landing? what's the name of the captain that returned after takeoff? i wanna check for my self

Rumer goes that he destroyed the proof him self. Therefore SK since its still under investigation.

[ruserious]

Don't be silly LJ, that would be like a high integrity organisation