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tartare
31st Aug 2016, 04:09
Comrades,
thought you might be interested in this
Putin?s vaunted new fighter jet (http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/moscow-touts-its-next-generation-fighter-the-t50-pakfa/news-story/548d17c397a49ca0d9318265ed8252c5?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=technology)
New shots, among other types, of the F-22-ski.

ORAC
14th May 2017, 20:28
Nice new camouflage..

http://russianplanes.net/images/to210000/209565.jpg

IcePaq
16th May 2017, 05:34
Looks like WW1 dazzle camoflage influenced that paint scheme.

ShotOne
16th May 2017, 06:27
Don't know how it flies but who cares! What a brilliant looking aircraft!

Interesting to note internal cannon are back in fashion!

Rhino power
16th May 2017, 14:32
Interesting to note internal cannon are back in fashion!

When did they go out of fashion?

-RP

KenV
17th May 2017, 19:22
Here's an interesting tidbit from that article:
It’s primary asset is an X-band multimode AESA radar, supplemented by L-band radars said to be capable of bouncing signals off opposing stealth aircraft.
Such a radar would give a general indication of where the ‘enemy’ is. The T-50s pilot would then fall back on infra-red and optical sensors to pick it out of the sky.

Problem is, a passive ESM system is going to detect the active system's emissions way before the active system will pick up any returns. That will give the stealthy aircraft (presumably F-35) a big advantage assuming it has a long range internal carriage missile. Is AMRAAM long range enough? Or will F-35 have to wait till the Meteor is fielded? Even if F-35 will be dependent on Meteor, it seems highly likely that Meteor will get fielded well before T-50 gets fielded. Which would seem to indicate AMRAAM will be long range enough for some time.

DirtyProp
17th May 2017, 19:48
Rudders look a tad small to me, maybe it's just the perspective.

KenV
17th May 2017, 20:07
Rudders look a tad small to me, maybe it's just the perspective.The vertical fins are all moving, so maybe they don't need to be as big. Further, with two-axis thrust vectoring smaller fins would seem to be able to do the job of yaw control. The F-22's thrust vectoring is in pitch plane only. F-35 has no thrust vectoring at all except for B model for VTOL operation only.

Mechta
17th May 2017, 23:23
Looks like WW1 dazzle camoflage influenced that paint scheme.

Or a surplus of 'Post-it' notes...

MarisPiper
18th May 2017, 10:45
It looks so good that I think we should send Clint Eastwood to steal it.

TheWestCoast
18th May 2017, 11:45
It will be interesting to see how quickly US aggressor jets get painted in that.

hoodie
18th May 2017, 12:04
Not long. :8

https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/aviationist-01.jpg

(I'm cheating quite a a bit there - that scheme isn't an aggressor scheme reflecting the Russian colours at all, but is a commemorative scheme for 100 years of US Naval Aviation and was chosen to acknowledge the digital pattern on modern uniforms.)

TEEEJ
18th May 2017, 12:50
It will be interesting to see how quickly US aggressor jets get painted in that.

At least one US Navy F-5E was painted in an earlier PAK-FA scheme.

https://i0.wp.com/cs630025.vk.me/v630025436/2ddc6/5PXFV18t1Y0.jpg

http://mtdata.ru/u29/photo5236/20706642934-0/original.jpg

Mechta
18th May 2017, 22:00
That last one looks a nicer colour scheme!

The name 'PAK-FA' does seem to infer the beastie hasn't much payload though. It reminds me of a few years back, when the Russians came up with the 'Multi-role Fighter Interceptor', or MFI for short. Roger Bacon, who penned the Straight and Level column in Flight, suggested NATO should call it 'Flat Pack'.

A_Van
19th May 2017, 05:29
Strange that this meaningless abbreviation - PAK FA - is used so often. Without going into Russian wording, it is just an abbreviated name of the whole project, like e.g. JSF.
Better call it Т-50, as for now.
When the test period is over, it will be given a "traditional " index, Su-xx (TBD).

hunterboy
19th May 2017, 05:38
AVan, any chance you could enlighten us to the Russian name for it?

A_Van
19th May 2017, 06:47
Hunterboy,


There is no such a tradition/habit in Russia to give nick names like e.g. "Flanker", "Fulcrum" etc. Even if somebody "invents" a name like e.g. "White Swan" for Tu-160 or "Alligator" for Ка-52 (helicopter) they are not used in everyday life. Rather trivial derivatives from the numerical indicies are in use commonly. No pathos, at all.
Conversely, sometimes ironic names are given, like e.g. "comb" for Su-25 (if one takes a front look to a fully armed Su-25, it indeed looks like a comb).

ETOPS
19th May 2017, 06:56
In Russian it's Перспективный авиационный комплекс фронтовой авиации, That's Perspektivny Aviatsionny Kompleks Frontovoy Aviatsii thus PAK-FA

Heathrow Harry
19th May 2017, 09:19
Wasn't the Tu-22 "Awl"??? based on its shape I guess

The normal code names "Blinder" "Fulcrum" are NATO codes - because in the old days little or no serious info was given out by the USSR

KenV
19th May 2017, 13:37
Blackjack, Blinder, Bear, Flanker, Fulcrum, Fencer, Frogfoot, Comb, Condor, Cub, Hind, Halo, Hip, Hokum, etc etc are all NATO code/reporting names.

Alligator is Kamov's name for it's attack helo. It probably was given a name largely because it was intended at the outset to be an export product, and the export market is accustomed to have names assigned to products.

Tu-22 NATO code was Blinder. Soviet crews called it "shilo" which translates to "awl" because of its shape.

Perhaps one of the reasons for the lack of names is the somewhat unique design/development process used by the old Soviet system. A "design bureau" designs the basic product and (usually) an entirely different entity (sometimes more than one entity) builds and sustains it. The production entity has its own internal "design bureau" with the authority to make changes to the basic design to improve manufacturability or assembly, or to facilitate the incorporation of new material and/or processes as they became available and/or to improve the product itself. The production center has different motivations (and funding) than the design bureau and with the authority to make significant design changes, is why there are so many significantly different variants of Soviet/Russian aircraft.

For example, the Mi-8/17 helo is built in both Kazan and Ulan-Ude. Each production center competes with the other and is why each has its own quite different version(s) of the Mi-8/17.

A_Van
19th May 2017, 14:45
You both are perfectly right about "awl". However, this nickname had double meaning. The second one was based on the homonym of the Russian word "shilo". Technically it means awl, but in some AF circles (but not in Navy aviation) it was a jargon word for the liquid (rich of alcohol) used in the anti-icing systems back in 60's and 70's. Tu-22 contained a huge amount of it (some 400+litres), more than a double of the Mig-25 capacity which was called "flying bar" for that. Therefore at a certain point of time all those liquids were replaced by "non-potable" ones. Game over, bars closed :-)

KenV, your considerations about old Soviet system make sense, but all this has nothing to do with nicknaming of planes. Similarly, Russian pilots do not have nicknames (call signes) either.

ORAC
25th May 2017, 05:26
TASS: Military & Defense - Russia?s fifth-generation fighter jets to start arriving for troops in 2019 (http://tass.com/defense/947333)

MOSCOW, May 24. /TASS/. Russia’s PAK FA (Perspective Aviation Complex of Frontline Aviation) fighter jets (T-50) will start arriving for the country’s Armed Forces in 2019 while the deliveries of the most advanced S-500 surface-to-air missile systems will begin in 2020, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Wednesday.

"The deliveries of T-50 perspective frontline aviation platforms from 2019 and S-500 air defense missile systems in 2020 will raise the efficiency of fighting modern aerospace attack means," the defense minister said in the upper house of Russia’s parliament. The implementation of the plans that have been mapped out will create a reliable barrier to "an instant global strike" by an enemy and ensure non-nuclear containment of any hi-tech aggressor, the Russian defense minister said.

"As a whole, the pace that has been gained will allow accomplishing the task set by the president of the Russian Federation and reaching the level of the Armed Forces’ armament with modern weaponry at no less than 70% by late 2020. This will allow Russia to keep its positions as the most developed state in military terms," the defense minister said.

The minister went on to say that the serial production of upgraded Tupolev Tu-160M2 (NATO reporting name: Blackjack) strategic missile carriers is expected to begin after 2021. "After 2021, we plan to begin the serial production of the modernized Tu-160M2 strategic missile carrier, which is capable of striking hostile ground objectives in remote strategic areas without entering the zones of operation of anti-ballistic missile and air defense systems," Shoigu said. A source in the defense and industrial sector earlier told TASS that the serial production of the modernized Tu-160M2 missile carrier would begin in 2020 and two-three such aircraft were planned to be produced each year.

The idea to restart the production of Tu-160 bombers in their upgraded version was put forward by Russian Defense Minister Army General Shoigu in April 2015 during his visit to the Kazan aircraft enterprise, part of the Tupolev aerospace company. In May that year, Russian President Vladimir Putin gave instructions to resume the production of these aircraft. Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said in October 2016 that 50 such planes were planned to be produced.

ORAC
12th Aug 2017, 11:05
PAK FA Fighter Jet Officially Named Su-57 (https://sputniknews.com/military/201708111056378101-russia-fighter-naming-su57/)

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia’s fifth-generation fighter jet formerly known as Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAK FA), or Sukhoi T-50, has officially been named as the Su-57, Russian Aerospace Forces Commander Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said Friday.

"The decision has been made, the aircraft got its name, like a child after the birth. Su-57 — from now on, we will call it that way," Bondarev said in an interview with Russia's Zvezda broadcaster.

The Su-57 is a single-seat, twin-engine multirole stealth fighter designed for air superiority and attack roles. It is equipped with advanced avionics system and airborne active phased array radar. The jet made its maiden flight in 2010. Yuri Slyusar, the president of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation, which is involved in building the aircraft, said last month that the first Su-57s could come into service in 2019.

Since its first flight in the early 2010s, the T-50, part of the Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAK-FA) program, has receiving a vast series of upgrades to its avionics, stealth and armaments. On Wednesday, United Aircraft Corporation General Designer Sergei Korotkov confirmed that engineers are busy working on the creation of a next-generation engine for the plane, one that boasts increased thrust and fuel efficiency, lower cost, and improved reliability compared to the existing engine.

With six machines expected to be delivered into the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces by next year, the military plans to equip the air force with about 55 T-50 fighters by 2020, with mass production beginning after that.

Old Bricks
14th Aug 2017, 19:13
Now that it has a designation, all it needs is for the NATO naming committee to come up with a reporting name. Perhaps now is a good time to offer some suggestions to help them....
How about FECKLESS, FIASCO, FANDANGLE or even FORESK*N to start off with?

stb155
14th Aug 2017, 21:30
F/A-22+F-35=Su-57 ?
Coincidence ?

ORAC
15th Aug 2017, 07:50
FARAGE..........

Haraka
15th Aug 2017, 10:35
Old Bricks. Only two syllables IIRC. :)
Reminds me of the story about the Tu-16 making it's first public appearance over Moscow in the May day flypast of 1954. At that time, although well aware of its existence, we did not know whose Bureau was responsible (TsAGI was one rumour). The American Air Attaché "casually" inquired of his Russian host..

"Oh, and what's that one? "

"That is the aeroplane that you chaps know as the "BADGER", came the reply.