30 mins from Standby call to Car outside.

[gardenshed]

I see the powers that be have decided that you now only have 30 mins from that phone call at 2 in the morning, to hoping into the car and off to the Sandpit castle.
I think they are going to be disappointed in my case.

[fatbus]

That's always been the case as far as I was aware.

[Will Rogers]

Exactly how it's been for as long as I can remember. No change!

[Trader]

Nope, never in writing, to my knowledge, previously. Simple fact is you get the call, shower, eat etc. If it takes more than 30 minutes so be it. To be safe you may well have to eat. Depends on the time of day and the situation!

[gardenshed]

Never anything in writing as far as I'm aware.
But now in the OMA amendments that came today.

[VLS with ice]

I get in the car when I'm ready, no rush!

[FuelFlow]

Been out of EK for a while now. Below is from the manual dated Jan 2015.

"Be ready to depart from his residence or hotel to the aerodrome
within 30 minutes of receiving notification that he is required for a
flight."

[CAYNINE]

Seriously.....is this the best **** you guys can come up with to whine about.

It's always been that way since my 15+ years here.

[TangoUniform]

At 2 in the morning, they're allowing you to rest as long as possible. That way they can extend your duty longer than if they called you 5 hours earlier when they probably knew about the trip.

[helen-damnation]

Has been 30 mins for well over 10 years.

Run Forrest, RUN ��

[ThunderLizard]

Complain about this and you'll end up sitting ready-reserve all night at HQ. It'll be ORD all over again,.. complain about the long bus ride downtown and 1 day layover, then you end up with 2 days at the airport. Be careful what you wish for.

[Enos]

Caynine

I totally agree!!

[Curry Goat]

Been the rule since the FOM days (manual that predates the OM-A). But lets not facts.......

[Visual Procedures]

In fact it pisses me off when they wake me to give me an hours notice.. 30 extra mins sleep is very valuable these days!

[nolimitholdem]

Been gone for some time as well, but recall clearly it was in the manual that the time was 30 minutes. Perhaps people should check the books before firing off a post on PPRune? So much shee-ite at EK to worry about, but this is a non-issue.

I love checking in every once in awhile to enjoy that good feeling once again of leaving EK. Never gets old.

[Will Rogers]

Totally agree with Caynine and nolimitholdem.

The oldest revision I can find is 7 but it was there before (since the FOM as previously stated) and has been in every revision since...

[White Knight]

From the EK FOM, Chap 4 Page 11 dated Aug 09 2003:

A crewmember rostered for standby duty shall, during the assigned period of standby, be ready to operate a flight at short notice should this be required. He shall:

.Be ready to depart from his residence or hotel to the airport within 30 minutes of receiving notification that he is required for a flight

And so on... In reality if I've needed more time crew scheduling have always made it available!

[PositiveRate876]

The change in policy is subtle and only affects people who live outside of Dubai. You must be at the border pick up point within 30min, and not leaving your house in Ras Al Khaima 30min after the call.

[CamelRustler]

No this really does suck, and should not be trivialized. You are under house arrest. Plain and simple. No school runs no kids sporting events. No anything. Your ass is home. When they say home reserve, they mean HOME reserve. You must be out the door 30 minutes from the phone call. For those that are doing reserve once a year its a hiccup but for those of us that get this 3X a year and one week a month it is painful.

[pfvspnf]

Do the drivers report you if you run a little late?

[captain69]

Oh please!! FFS, don't give them any ideas.

[Aluminium shuffler]

Yes they do.

[BigGeordie]

In fairness to the drivers, if they don't report you for being late they will be blamed for a late pickup. Like everyone else in EK they are covering themselves.

[ruserious]

It's all electronic and can be used at any time in the future to bully you, happened to a friend who had a big technical issue, tried everything to blame a systemic issue on him, in the end they told him he had been late for pick up 3 months previously. He asked them if that was the best they could manage, but show's the mindset

[Trader]

When you get in the car you should note when the driver CLICKS on his screen. That is when it stamps your pick up. Quite often they wait a while or wait for the second pickup.

[harry the cod]

Trader

The 'clicking on the screen' is that they bring up your details so they know they have the right person... has a nice picture of you. All cars are tracked automatically by GPS and it's all recorded so no need to stress about you being 'checked in'.

Camel Rustler

You must be lucky. Most of my standbys are 0200 so not many school runs then. As for your disappointment at not having the time to attend these events, that's what DAYS OFF are for. This is a duty after all. Better than an airport standby and why not do as others do and take your uniform along and get a taxi if need be or get the missus to drop you off? Even a quick call to the fleet crewing supervisor can help. Not difficult to work around these issues and hardly worth the rant if you ask me! :ugh:

Harry

[RemoveB4Flght]

At least you get a ride to work, versus down the road where we have 75 min from the call to dress, prep, eat, get the bags down to the car, fight traffic at rush hour, off site parking lot, unload bags, wait for a shuttle, load bags into shuttle, wait for driver to deem he's ready, drive to HQ, unload bags, queue for check in. All that while crewing calls you every 10 minutes for an "update" because the flight is already "really late".

Yup i'd trade for an air conditioned volvo after 30 minutes :ok:

[SOPS]

Wow Harry you are lucky, most of your standbys start at 0200. Really? You must be lucky. I think Camel had a valid point. And from what I am hearing there are not many DAYS OFF to do the other things anymore.

[White Knight]

Days off SOPS? I reckon I average 12 days off most months... Just injecfing a bit of BigBus reality here😂😂

[CamelRustler]

I will Never drive myself or taxi to duty at EK. How many times have you showed up late to HQ due to traffic. Me, at least once a month. If I was taking a taxi I would have been in the chief pilots office on a day off explaining why I took a taxi.
Please oh please Harry, let me know how to bid days off on reserve so I can attend my children's sporting advents. That would be great!!
While most of your posts are well thought out, you frequently appear to either forget or not care about every other pilot at EK less fortunate than you. In a recent post you went on about how great Frankfurt overnights are and could not understand why people complain. I have not been to Europe in 3 years. Overnights? Pbbbbbttt. Maybe 3-4 every five months. Always Africa or India. Glad to hear your doing well though.

[harry the cod]

CamelRustler

I'm sure there's a joke about having the hump but it's probably as old and tired as most of us. To be fair, if you decide not to drive that's your call. I guess it depends on just how desperate you really are to watch your kids weekly sports events. As for being late, not once in 14 years have I ever been late. I use the official report time as my benchmark, do you? Where are you coming in from, Al Ain?

You're obviously on the 330 if you've not had a Europe for 3 years. By November they'll all be gone and it will be the prime routes on the 380. 9 London's daily, 3 Manchester, MUC, CDG, FCO, BCN, CPH, FRA, AMS and the list goes on...... Maybe then you'll get some satisfaction in your rosters and lifestyle. I hope you do, sincerely.

Just trying to keep it real. My Frankfurt post was tongue in cheek. 30 euros for a girlfriend, really?


Harry

[CamelRustler]

By late I mean all of the crew is already on the A/C, and I am not. I live in company accommodation, but lucky me, getting moved to one closer to the airport.
30 euros- I either figured you had low standards or that was the funny part of your post.

What you and some others fail to understand, (You can correct me if I am wrong.) Ek has been treating the 330/340 guys horribly for years, and yes it will be over soon. But this has been going on for YEARS Harry. We are all a bit past the tongue and cheek. Really. The fact that you constantly make light of our plight only proves your disconnect.

[Emma Royds]

As for being late, not once in 14 years have I ever been late. I use the official report time as my benchmark, do you? Where are you coming in from, Al Ain?

If you wish to use the official report time, then we all stand a much higher chance of being late from now on with the revised report time from DXB. For me personally if I am on board by STD-55, then all is good.