Two set crew ULH max hours

[notapilot15]

How long they can go on discretion. EK239(A6-ECO) On 8/17/16 STD 3:30 GST, ATD 4:26 GST, diversion to KEF and reaching BOS at 14:38 EDT.

[The Outlaw]

Once again in English please...

[DCS99]

19 hours 8 minutes from STD to chocks on?!

[777-200LR]

No discretion on ULRs
22 hrs MAX duty
BOS check-in is at 0155 LT + 22 hrs MAX = 2355 LT (1555 BOS time) perfectly legal

[Twiglet1]

Rather you than me
:D

[Oceanic]

No discretion on ULRs
22 hrs MAX duty
BOS check-in is at 0155 LT + 22 hrs MAX = 2355 LT (1555 BOS time) perfectly legal
"In extraordinary circumstances and with agreement of the Fleet Chief Pilot, the limitations may be waived":eek::=

[777-200LR]

Oceanic,

Are you willing to put your license on the line when you finally land in BOS and the FAA are waiting to ask you why you have been on duty for 26 hours??

Coming back into DXB, its a completely different story

[helen-damnation]

No it's not ��

Coming back you're unacclimatised. Explain that in a US court ��

[natops]

Guys seriously, 22 hrs thats it. Not worth 100 replies, just dump it in okbk and fly bizz home. All the people 'promised' to support yr run into the gcaa office will be busy. Draw the line, stand yr ground.

[Talparc]

Let's get the FAA this one checked,
Interesting to find out their opinion

[Oceanic]

I wouldn't go a minute over the 22 hour limit, just pointing out how ridiculous it is that there is further wriggle room in the provision. A few years back (340-500 )flight a colleague (who is now happily retired) refused to go into discetion out of Dubai to JFK and was promptly marched into the Chief Pilots office to be told he was not a 'team player'. The 3 other pilots went, & the flight diverted. Never heard anything from Fleet about his refusal after that.

[MacSheikh]

If the plan is a crew of 4, surely you can't leave with 3? Note... "planned crew of 4".

[donpizmeov]

Talparc,

The FAA have audited EK a few times with the ULR plan in the book. It's still there. So they don't seem to have a problem with it.

[fatbus]

Talparc, give it a rest.

[champair79]

EK449 AKL-DXB diverted to DPS last night (presumably due to a medical emergency). That's added time onto an already long duty!

Champ

[The Zohan]

"planned crew of 4"

"Planned" means it's been rostered with 4 pilots not that it can't be done with 3 in case of a contingency.
The sector has to be shorter than 15 hrs though.

tz

[Sledge]

The GCAA regs quote a ULR flight as a "city to city" agreement. If you divert from your planned "city" surely the ULR duty times no longer apply ?

[fatbus]

"Except for unplanned diversion" , there has been plenty of medical "gas and go " diversions on ULRs

[Buckshot]

The DPS diversion on the 449 last week shows up as 'only' 16:42 all up so it must have been a very quick stop to offload the sick pax

[MacSheikh]

Zohar,

I wasn't clear, my bad.

If the plan is 4 crew, you can't leave DXB with 3?

The return is debatably different :hmm:

[Modesh]

Is YYZ a ULR?
If so why is it still three crew? And all other ULRs are back to four crew.
M