EK 777 Freighter-Dedicated Crew

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

Rumour is Habibis, they have canned the dedicated freighter plans on the T7. Not enough pilots funnily enough :ugh:

Lots parked up at DWC the other day i took one for a trip.

Also, expect Loadmasters on most flights, after the latest 2 f**k ups with loading. Apparently the order came from TC.

SyB :zzz::zzz:

[halas]

Apparently announcement in September.

halas

[halas]

There you go......

halas

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

Indeed, eating my words currently Habibi.

Nah, pass. A weeks rsv every month, unstable rosters, no requests ever, 2 years min on the fleet, the leave bidding will be a hoot!

SyB :yuk::yuk:

[Flyingishere]

Wait for 6 months, see how people like/dislike it and then make a decision...

[halas]

"Reserve weeks every month"

Didn't actually stipulate how often they would be but it didn't say every month.

Requests are so hit and miss anyway. :ugh:

Leave bidding now is a hoot. :(

halas

[glofish]

5-600 flying hours plus 2-300 dead head hours ..... that do not count towards your annual limit -> This puts me off the list!

Unstable rosters and more changes are a given with cargo ops, but there has to be a limit as to how they can push me around dh, with changes and cancellation, otherwise it's a handy tool to optimise crew usage. If dh would be fully counted, they would try to minimise disruptions and changes.

No requests -> No go either!

Reserve -> Has to be redefined more clearly.

Leave -> I guess that would not be a bigger problem than on the regular fleet.

[fliion]

Swap options and flexibility - not great on pax - worse on cargo with so few aircraft.

Further - RSV weeks will be allocated, didn't say how many. Nothing like a bunch of low (relative) hour limit pilots lying around to do a BEY or IST TA due 'operational requirements'.

🤔

[zk-dxb]

Did I read that right, minimum of 5 days a row off each month? But not necessarily in DXB?

[ExDubai]

Sounds like the perfect family life.....

[sheikhmahandy]

Those of you you have been here for a reasonable length of time will know that what is promised is sometimes vastly different to what is delivered! That is the nature of the beast.
If you believe the T's& C's as published (so far) then all I can say is to analyse the pro's and cons with a healthy scepticism before you commit yourself to 2 years of 'operational flexibility' requirements.
Those of you who are about to........ I salute you, as it will probably make my roster more enjoyable.

[fliion]

In the current system - you have exactly 33 hours to look and bid for freighter trips in the CRS. 8th 20:00-10th 0500.

That might give you a flavor of what's to come.

[allaru]

Depends if your standby includes passenger flights. If it does, as PT Barnum put it - 'there's a sucker born every minute', as they can pump your flying hours up to max on the standby month plus pax you round the place and get 150hrs a month out of you easily. Plus you could enjoy constant disruption, less days off, less days at home. Could you imagine being the dogs body for the passenger fleet every month.

If the standby is for cargo only, and you will fly cargo only then maybe worth looking at.

[Cloud Bunny]

I think the statement regarding wanting to increase safety margins by having a dedicated and specialist freighter crew would mean unless desperate they wouldn't make you fly pax on RSV days - kinda makes a mockery of the whole thing otherwise.
I'm a little surprised by the number of people I know who are all over this (me not included) though. I don't think they'll have a problem filling bums on seats. As my neighbor put it "200 hours of deadheading = 200 hours of sleep, sign me up!"

[lospilotos]

Any idea/thoughts on how upgrades would be managed. I see two major issues:

1. Are you only offered the upgrade course based on seniority within the freighter fleet and only when there is a left seat to fill on the same. That sounds like time to command would be greatly increased as there probably will be less movement of the captains and definitely won't be any major expansion of the fleet.

2. If you get on the NaC course you'll of course have to fly pax flights during line training to get exposed to handling pax and cc. Then you'll be taken off the freighter fleet for some time. Sounds like that's a good excuse for the company to delay the upgrade.

Just some thoughts...

/Los

[Desert Camel]

I think it would have been easier to use some of the RSV guys to crew the unpredictable freighter flights (as is currently done, I believe), rather than create a dedicated group of pilots. RSV offers that flexibility.

Anyway, I would not trust anything they say or promise....5 days off in a row? Why can't we have them now? Guys are away on 6+ day trips and only get 2 days max. afterwards. What will be different? Oh hold on, "we are creating a group of experts, an elite..." yeah right! Nothing they do is for us, I think we have had many examples before.
I would not go anywhere near it. You will be used and abused. Don't think you are going to fly only 500 hours for the same t&c's...

Divide and conquer.....

[fliion]

Is it me or is there still no freighter trips published in CRS despite bid closure tomorrow.

Inauspicious start?

[Fire Ball XL5]

I'm curious as to how many people they are looking for? And will it be by seniority, or experience level??

[DuneMentat]

Lospilotos the way I see it you will keep your number in the queue for upgrade provided you meet all the other criteria and will be moved back to the pax fleet for your upgrade and will have to reapply for the freighter fleet once you've done your freighter line cotinuation flight 2-3 months later

[JAARule]

The last time I remember management doing anything nice or helpful for the pilots was airshow passes back when LL was around, more than a decade ago. If they go ahead with the freighter fleet option it won't be because it is nice for the pilots. They've found some sort of angle which benefits them somehow and no doubt screws the drivers.

[natops]

How can anybody decide to go for this option without all the information needed to make that decision.

Just be aware that the holes in the info we got will be filled with unpleasant stuffing.

They never fail to disappoint.

[fatbus]

If you have any doubts then just pass on it. Simple.if it has to go reverse seniority so be it. Those junior will have no choice and do their two years. I foresee all new hires and upgrades going freighter

[Wizofoz]

Sure- but then the fleet requiring "special expertise" ends up with the least experienced crews- seems a little bass-ackward!!!

[hulabaloome2]

Time almost up for jumping into the unknown.......do I don't I ?

[sheikhmahandy]

Just make sure that those who are making these promises of T's and C's (5 days and one week of reserve etc etc).......................................buy you dinner first!!!

Good luck on to those who will take this fork................... In the road to perceived happiness.

[Jetkopite]

Do you guys think they will get the numbers they need to operate the B77F as a seperate fleet??

[The Turtle]

NO

But I doubt they will tell us that.

[donpizmeov]

Going by car to work chats I think they will. Fellas getting all gooey about this.

You can tell a Boeing pilot...but you cant tell them much.

[halas]

Oh Don.....I'm sure you'll tell them anyway.

What can't you tell them?

halas

[Emma Royds]

The carrot is the five days off in a row each month plus significantly less time spent forward of the flight deck door.

It's a sad state of affairs when colleagues feel that the inevitable roster disruption along with walking into a unknown entity, is a price that's worth paying.

[alwayzinit]

Its staggering within 8 years we have had the length of a string of days off be restricted, for no operational reason AT ALL. Do do your 78 hours plus any overtime and the rest off. I remember having 21 days off in a few months and a regular 16-18 days. Then the 7 days limit was brought in, Lazy Pilots!!, then 6, then 5, now 3.
And supposedly the 9th floor have no idea why the "peasants" are revolting!
Now the teeny tiny carrot of a 5 day string is luring those of us desperate for any kind of Quality of Life into an unknown situation with the only "expectation" of a 5 day string and 8 days in Dubai.
How low have we fallen?
Sigh.:rolleyes:

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

Contrary to what Don says, i have yet to meet one 777 driver who wants this, I am sure they exist. I have heard some Scandi drivers like the idea of days off in CPH. Fair enough, but what if that should suddenly change, commercial pressures, better profit on other routes.3 days in DAC, yummy Be careful what you wish for!

Well, the e-mail has arrived as expected, they obviously did NOT get enough take them up on the superb offer :=:= So they have done a question and answer session, calmly reassuring your worries. :ugh::ugh:

Ordinarily I like the freighter flying on the 777, once in a while. But 2 years on the thing, no thanks. Make it 6 months yes, maybe a year. 2 years no thanks.

Good luck to all the junior guys going on the freighter :ok::ok:

SyB :zzz::zzz:

[fliion]

Deadline extended to the 24th and emails sent with a lot more details of package.

Can't imagine that would have been forthcoming if the response was overwhelming.

If you do go - keep that email and never delete it.

I think AAS means well - but then again so did HD and his promised age of open comms & monthly Fleet Forums 🤔

[Instant Hooligan]

If you believe one word of the utter BS these guys try to sell you about what will be promised then you haven't been paying attention. Speak to any guy who was promised a great schedule and 2 years only, to fly the 319, how that worked out. Speak to any of the 330 capts being downgraded. You will not be released after 2 years unless there is a replacement and once it's figured out how crap it is no one will be volunteering. Good luck with your choice

[Jack D]

E mails are worthless ! Should you choose to take up this freighter only offer a written contract outlining conditions is a must .. Only then do you have a chance ( albeit a rather limited one ) of recourse !

[hulabaloome2]

Im considering this freighter deal but as of yet haven't pulled the trigger on it.....As Im on the 777 fleet can anyone enlighten me on what happened to the 319 drivers ?

[The Turtle]

Well if the cut-off date is the 20th, and you receive this email the day before.....what does that tell you?

It's my understanding that the seats behind the cockpit are classified as biz class, no? Well what's to keep them from DH you on those? Just a Q to colleagues who envision 200 hrs cuddled in Biz or FC on mainfleet....if your trip starts with a DH why not send you with the freight

I have friends who have years of freighter experience......without SOLID rules you would not believe the crap that has been tried on them....shocking

[plt330]

I guess the wives didn't approve the terms and conditions !!

[Jack D]

The freighter operation will become a separate entity with different terms & conditions from mainline , just like SQ , CX et al . Should you not have an individual contract clearly stating these terms and the return to the pax operation , seniority & requirements for upgrade etc + compensation for breach of contract . The fact is you may well find yourself trapped in a totally different company . Cynical perhaps ? This is a chance to avoid being conned , pls think carefully . History has a tendency to repeat itself here . See previous posts !

[Instant Hooligan]

Hula, the 319 guys were also told 2 years, when the rostering and rules were changed from the original deal to a much more company biased one people wanted to bail at the 2 year mark. Sorry guys no replacements for your position you will have to stay until we can con (whoops) find a replacement. Who really wants to go to a niche op with even less protections than where they are at already.

[halas]

A decade and a half ago we signed up for 72 hours productivity threshold whilst flying 65. Credit for sim, ground school & vacation. Paid to 30 minutes after chocks on. No limit on days off. 42 days leave EVERY year. DEWA paid in full. ALT to home city. Cheaper staff tickets. Regular pilots meetings.......The list goes on.

A new contract for freighter ops would achieve what?

halas

[cost neutral]

Halas
Never a truer word spoken!

[Jack D]

I have to admit that's true .. Sad really , contracts are also worthless .

[Jack D]

I have to admit that's true .. Sad really , contracts are also worthless .
But I'd still rather have something official appended to my present contract meaningless or not , rather than an e mail in the form of a Q & A session .

[STD]

"5 days off" carrot is a rotten carrot. Currently not being honored on the trainers camp.

[fatbus]

I think the 5 days could be honoured if they get the numbers. The trainers are just way to over worked at the moment.

[The Guru]

Fatbus,

I think that is the whole point. We have understaffed departments, with overworked crews, experiencing continuously deteriorating conditions.

I am sure the business plan for our freighters requested 20% more pilots than AAR has actually decided to allocate to it.
Therefore, the result will be the same, another EK condition that will not be honoured.....:ugh::ugh::ugh:

The G.

[hulabaloome2]

I think I'm going to give it a whirl....... if it ends up being as bad as things are on the passenger fleet then I've lost nothing if it does turn out worse then it will be the shove I've needed to get on my way and leave and if it turns out better well......only one way to find out my friends

One thing I think maybe up EK's sleeve here is positioning/deadheading with freighter pilots being dedicated it and if they try to honour 5 days off in a row I think a lot of travelling as pax in the freighter as it doesn't warrant keeping freighter crews laying over in a hotel on min rest to return on an EK pax flight......I think that happens to have someone at outstation on standby for sickness......it will be pax back on freighter immediately

[Murrenfan]

Don't forget that a string of 5 days off will mean 3 days off for the rest of the month.

[spanishfly69]

Why do we as pilots have the need to tell others what to do. Who ever wants to go, let them go. Whoever does not want to go, do not go. We are adults, we should know what is good for our families and ourself. Stop telling everyone what to do.

[Wizofoz]

Damn right Spanish! How dare people express an opinion or try and help others by sharing their informed views and experience!

Anyone would think this was an Aviation Forum!!

[hulabaloome2]

I'm just putting feelers out as to what my peers views are.....this choice could have ramifications on the rest of my career ......as we have all invested heavily in our paths thus far.... I will always appreciate every ones feedback and point of view on this subject

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[spanishfly69]

Wizofoz, I never said that you should not help other fellow pilots.
If you want to help people, give them the facts and only facts. Opinions, emotions and choices are personal. Each individual one can make their own choice. Some people like them fat, skinny, white, black, brow, tall, short. We all have different taste and necessities

[Wizofoz]

Opinions, emotions and choices are personal.

And expressing them on an open forum is entirely appropriate, and not in any way "Telling people what they should do."

[donpizmeov]

Is "stop telling people what to do"...well.. telling people what to do? At least there is no mention of Forex this time :)

[Wizofoz]

Is "stop telling people what to do"...well.. telling people what to do?

:ok::D:D:ok:

[harry the cod]

spanishfly69

"Some people like them fat, skinny, white, black, brown, tall, short"

For clarification, are you referring to women or coffee with that statement?

Harry

[spanishfly69]

Harry, I like the way you think! It is up to you

[JAYTO]

I think they delayed closing date for expressions of interest until after this months roster release. When guys see the rosters they are getting on the Pax fleet they may just put their name on the list out of desperation for something better.

[alwayzinit]

So, anyone got any news on the trucking business?

[Emma Royds]

As predicted by many, there is sufficient interest from Skippers but not enough from F/Os.

Applications for F/Os only has been extended until the end of October. The whole idea has been postponed until the New Year now.

[TineeTim]

Any F/O volunteering for this needs to sit down and think again. For multiple reasons, it's a bad idea. After thinking about it, if they still think it's a good idea, then sit down and think again! The only exception I can think of would be permanent F/Os without family.

[TOGA!]

Look no further than what has just happened to the 330 guys and girls.

[fatbus]

Simple- new hire FOs go to 77F, company does not care about safety. It's more economical!!! Remember ME is about greed and money.

[Emma Royds]

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole concept falls flat on its face, unless they assign F/Os to the freighter fleet.

There is obviously a noticable deficit in the number of F/Os needed and those that want to apply, probably already have and those that wish to give it a wide berth, have done so accordingly. Simply extending the application window will probably be futile, unless what they are offering becomes more appealing and above all, is deemed to be palpable.

[Rather Be Skiing]

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole concept falls flat on its face, unless they assign F/Os to the freighter fleet.

There is obviously a noticable deficit in the number of F/Os needed and those that want to apply, probably already have and those that wish to give it a wide berth, have done so accordingly. Simply extending the application window will probably be futile, unless what they are offering becomes more appealing and above all, is deemed to be palpable.

A more appealing offer is absolutely hollow and meaningless without trust. That is in very short supply.

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

<Sarcasm on>

Ah c'mon Habibis, they are really making a superb offer.

They are Establishing a DWC laundry, Uniform Store, trying to remove swapping restrictions for interline deadheading, and the minute carrot of improving some other vague Terms and Conditions for Cargo pilots...

you guys are really gonna miss out. <sarcasm off>

SyB :zzz::zzz:

[nakbin330]

.... and don't forget, only experienced senior FOs need apply.

[harry the cod]

SYB

A leap of faith may be required for this new gig, sure, but I guess it all depends on how desperate some are to commute each month. It comes down to priorities and what potential sacrifice one has to make if you want your 5 days in a row. There are quite a few EK pilots with families out of Dubai so for those looking to get back once a month, the freighter option should be ideal, certainly better than current rosters are achieving.

By all means knock it, but don't come crying when you can only get a max string of 3 days off on the pax fleet. Having your cake and eating it doesn't work here any more....at least not for the present. If the package doesn't suit, why knock it? Just walk away.

What was that proverb again...'Never look a gift horse in the mouth'?

Harry

[glofish]

Harry

This gift horse is so geriatric, it will not survive the first few months.

The 5 days off in a row will be gone as fast as you can say khalas, if they only barely find the numbers required . And the fault will then be laid on the lazy colleagues who did not apply.

Maybe the promised 5 days off in a row will then be down the route, in some beautiful dump in Africa.

With many other friends i don't believe anything no more coming from this outfit, even if it comes in writing. Their credibility has evaporated, diluted to outer space ratio.

Anyone taking up that job might be lucky, but my guess is they will be shafted as much as the 340 guys.

[littlejet]

Why shouldn't I complain about not more than 3 on a pax fleet? Just because someone has 5 in a row on a freighter I shouldn't. Where is that rule in the OM-a that pax pilots are forbidden to rest with their families more than 3? It seems to me that the company nailed it again against us. Everytime you go and point out how screwed up bidding system is, they can say....join the freighter. Almost all the guys I talked to are joining the cargo because they are leaving in a year's time. 5days even 10 in a row can easily be done on every fleet at any seat...they are just refusing to do it

[lospilotos]

Why should I have to sign up for a different job than the one I originally signed up for, just to get decent working conditions?

If it can be done on the freighter surely it can be done on the pax...

[littlejet]

Exactly..days in a row are not my right, but they are not a luxury, a big favour, or an incentive. It is sad that people are willing to give 25 days of the month to have 5days consecutive.

[harry the cod]

I don't disagree with any of that but the truth is things ain't getting any better around these parts! It boils down to doing what's best for your own circumstances and if anyone thinks that a string of 5 off each and every month is achievable with the current numbers, they're delusional. it's EXACTLY why the Company is offering it as an enticement for the freighter ops.

I'd like to have the 75 hours and two weeks off that I had 12 years ago but that's not reality. Reality is currently 90-100 hours plus every month, flying with demotivated crew, an undermanned and heavily overworked training department and a management that seem incapable of grasping the gravitas of the deteriorating situation. The ill thought out policy of A340 'demotions' is just the latest in a string of poor, incompetent decisions made by individuals unwilling or unable to implement logical and fair changes. The ridiculous seniority list is another. What person with even a modicum of basic intelligence would subscribe to signing off such crap.

God knows how this fiasco will end but for many pilots, they will not care. They've either left already or are planning to do so.

Harry

[littlejet]

If you had flown 75 in half of the month why shouldn't you fly 95 in two thirds.
Those weird limitations when you try and swap shows how company think roster should look like and how important is not to give us that. Why every half decent company in the world does not care how many days off you have as long as you fly your productive hours, and with this lot it is imperative to go opposite?
Captain with 35 and one month is OK...with 34 and 11 is not...god help us.
However soon nothing will be possible with this manning and attrition.

[halas]

16 day trips starting in November.

halas

(Hola Puerto Rico!)

[fliion]

SJU replacing CUR as tech stop for the flowers coming out of UIO.

Etihad and others already using it.

[halas]

Not SJU.

halas

[lospilotos]

So not even started the separate fleet and already separate T&Cs. (Talking about the FLA)

If there is weak interest in joining the freighter fleet perhaps they should offer level 2 pay scale. Apparently that's how you attract experience...

[eagleflight]

I think it is not SJU, but BQN (Ramey Air Force Base)...don't shoot the messenger. :)

[Gunman returns]

What's the FLA?

[JAYTO]

The FLA is a payment as communicated by flight ops. Once the powers higher above find out it is more than the allowance paid to pax fleet crew it will be adjusted accordingly.
You think I am lying?
You have not been here long enough.

J

[TOGA!]

I must have missed that communication.

[allaru]

Ah yes..as predicted those who chose not to apply are complaining already....

[aslan1982]

some hotels for the freighter don't have discounts for food like Zaragoza.

Im sure they have just taken an average layover allowance. Its makes sense. easier for crew and easier for company

[halas]

@ eagleflight

Why would l shoot the meesenger when l said what you said :confused::confused:

halas

[fatbus]

Also , children, grow up! You look pathetic complaining about the littlest of things.

[Odins Raven]

How does the FLA work? Do you have to take local currency for meals down route? Sounds complicated.

[Plane and simple]

How does the FLA work? Do you have to take local currency for meals down route? Sounds complicated.

You're joking, right? You won't be spoon fed on this fleet.
You'll be on your own to sort out bigger problems than whether to go to an ATM for cash, or put bills on your Visa card.

[harry the cod]

OR

Nay bother ya self lad with what's 'appening int sand pit, just carry on enjoying ya Hollands pie and pint a boddies in sunny Cheshire!

Not complicated at all, very simple actually. Works out at around $130 per 24 hours down route, that's ten shillings and thrupence to you. ;)

Harry

[Spikedog]

Oh my god!

Is anyone actually basing their decision on the FLA/allowance/hotel discount?

WTF are you guys talking about?!

[Spikedog]

Unless I got my maths wrong, the typical pax flight allowance is around AED12 per layover hour. Twenty bucks an hour sounds like a good deal. I stand to be corrected, though.



Did you really just work that out?!

[Odins Raven]

OR

Nay bother ya self lad with what's 'appening int sand pit, just carry on enjoying ya Hollands pie and pint a boddies in sunny Cheshire!

Not complicated at all, very simple actually. Works out at around $130 per 24 hours down route, that's ten shillings and thrupence to you. ;)

Harry

Pfft... Hollands and Boddingtons is for the uncultured Lancashire lot... Down this way it's Real Ale and Game Pie, and unfortunately it seems also fake 'Real Housewives' of Manchester/Liverpool/Warrington :ugh:

Seriously though, going to a cash machine in Mexico City? Guess I'm just a bit of a pu**y these days...

[luvly jubbly]

Pfft... Hollands and Boddingtons is for the uncultured Lancashire lot... Down this way it's Real Ale and Game Pie, and unfortunately it seems also fake 'Real Housewives' of Manchester/Liverpool/Warrington :ugh:

Seriously though, going to a cash machine in Mexico City? Guess I'm just a bit of a pu**y these days...

No need to be s pu••y. ATM in Hotel and bar nearby.

[Flyingishere]

Did you really just work that out?!

The one year makes it interesting ;)

[luvly jubbly]

The one year makes it interesting ;)

From what I understand the 1 year is a minimum. There's no guarantee you will actually be allowed to switch back after 1 year.
I guess you can request it, but really you would be on the freighter until they decide otherwise......

[Flyingishere]

From what I understand the 1 year is a minimum. There's no guarantee you will actually be allowed to switch back after 1 year.
I guess you can request it, but really you would be on the freighter until they decide otherwise......

From what I understand and communicated with them that a year is indeed a minimum and you can change after that year, honestly I don't see how it'll be different than pax. 5 days in a row is nice ;)

[Mr Good Cat]

No need to be s pu••y. ATM in Hotel and bar nearby.
Serious question - are bank account holders in UAE covered for fraud involving rigged cash machines in those countries? Or is it better to risk using your UAE credit card to buy food only in the hotel?

Not that it affects me - just wondering how it works in the world of freight allowances.

[luvly jubbly]

I have a prepaid card that I use in questionable areas. That way any fraud is kept to a minimum.

[Mr Good Cat]

I have a prepaid card that I use in questionable areas. That way any fraud is kept to a minimum.
Sounds like a good call.

[aslan1982]

Revolut is a great card to use abroad. just pre load it and it uses the current exchange rate at the time. no rip offs from banks

https://revolut.com

[Kapitanleutnant]

This Revolut card... The recipient has to have the app and card also for it to work?

[aeropix]

I got the "experimental" freighter roster. They DID give the 5 day off block, but then squeezed in a night turn between the 5-days and my leave. Would it kill them to just think like HUMANS and give the 5-day block before leave?

[fatbus]

Plan on none be happy with one! The place has become a bit of a concern of late. Glad to be exiting!

[Emma Royds]

I suspect the advent of trips significantly longer than what has previously been seen on the freighter, may give cause for concern, since this is perhaps not what some may have anticipated. This new UIO/BQN trip will be woeful for anyone with dependants in Dubai.

On the other hand the freighter could be a godsend for those with no ties to Dubai, since the fixed days off along with the often longer downtime in between flights downroute, will quite probably be far more appealing and less tiresome than the regular passenger rosters. I suspect some on the new dedicated freighter fleet who have family elsewhere may jettison themselves from Dubai and use hotels for the nights they are in Dubai, as it will still work out cheaper and will allow them to use the excess cash towards their homes elsewhere.

Horses for courses as they say but this will certainly be appetising to a niche number of 777 colleagues and the FLA in its proposed form, may help as well. A friend of mine put his name down and he said he had thought twice about doing so but he is very happy with his November roster. He said he has just as many days off in DXB including the block of five and he has significantly less time sat in an operating seat.

[springbok449]

Aeropix,

That's just totally unacceptable, those are the things that ultimately grinds people and makes them leave. It's testimony to the rot that's set in this company.

This is where HD should intervene and stand up for us! Oh hang on I have just woken up!

[thatwasclose]

They screwed us . Am flying everyday of the reserve week, all passenger flights.

[allaru]

The way I see it is that you are not officially on the cargo fleet as yet so they can mix the cargo and pax flying..however once it officially starts under no circumstances should you agree to any pax flying while on reserve or at any time...this was not the deal and any attempt to mix both would be totally unacceptable.

[thatwasclose]

That means they took my bid away from me without asking. The experimental roster, if that's what you want to call it, was given to me without my knowledge. Yes I signed up to the freighter but not to this . Was never mentioned .

[TOGA!]

I am shocked! :ouch:

[Kapitanleutnant]

Allaru.... What says they can't change the contract .... at their will... anytime, any way they want? It's always been like that.

When I left, my contract was NOTHING like it was supposed to be. But my union rep just didn't see the problem!!!!

Open your eyes.... this is how it is. As they say at EK, if you don't like it, there's the door!

K

[Jack D]

Please don't say you weren't warned
Seriously ?

[JAYTO]

Interesting to see the latest forum presentation saying there is the "Intention to have a dedicated cargo fleet in 2017"
That is a definate shift. From Dec 2016 to January 2017 to intend to have in 2017
Obviously not enough FO took the bait.

J.

[Talparc]

Just stay away from this kind of offer, it's outsourcing at its best.
Never believe what they promise, everything will be changed to their favour in a second once you signed the dotted line.

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

Gotta laugh at this weeks newsletter, Dedicated Freighter fleet cancelled UFN. I absolutely did not see that coming :ugh::ugh:

What not enough F/Os up for it, no trust with our masters, yup thats probably it!

On the upside, we can go to a special screening of Star Wars, yay!! At least no frickin Wine case boxes for our pleasure this Xmas :eek::ok:

SyB :zzz::zzz:

[donpizmeov]

SyB I believe there are not enough 777 pilots to remove any from roster build.

[fliion]

I have so dumbed down my expectation from above that the cargo op cancellation hardly mustered a raise of my chin from the iPad as my colleague in Volvo relayed the latest. "Well of course its cancelled"

Alas, "...we simply do it better..."

😀

[Rabbitwear]

I'm ready to start with EK but in the base of my choosing , problem of staff shortage can easily be solved .

[777boyindubai]

That is a brilliant idea Rabbit. Maybe you could email them and let them know.....

[Kapitanleutnant]

Rabbit...

You should choose the Bali Base!! It's great for tans and I think they only fly 95 hours a month at that particular base.

Which other basing did you have in mind... The Mauritius Base??

:-)

[Wizofoz]

Rabbit,

Didn't you
LEAVE EK a few years ago?

[Talparc]

Rabbit seems to be TCAS who got chased away a few weeks ago.
Good luck to you! Greetings from Hawaii base.