CHINA is coming to dubai...

[jetjockey696]

B737/B777/B787/A320/A330/A380 Captains for our exclusive China Pilot Job Roadshow in Dubai on August 15th- 21st, 2016

China Southern Airlines (CSA) is in large demand of 100 pilots this year on its B777, B787 and A330 fleets. This opportunity is available to both rated and non-type rated captains, as CSA will convert A320 Captains to the A330, and Boeing Captains to the B777/787. Extremely valuable now that you could apply for overseas bases like FRA, BNE, LHR, AMS,LAX based on “First come, First served”.

Monthly income for B777/787/A330 TR pilots - 19,000 USD for first year; 19,000 USD for second year; 20,000 USD for third year; 21,000 USD for fourth year.

Monthly income for B777/787/A330 NTR pilots - 18,000 USD for first year; 19,000 USD for second year; 20,000 USD for third year; 21,000 USD for fourth year.

Annual Leave: 20 days (including sick leave) and 7 days leave without pay.

Work patterns: 10 days off per month for pilots who based in CAN; 8 days off per month for pilots who based outside of China

$6000/y safety bonus to be paid annually;

International tickets for pilots and families. Medical insurance offered by Smile Aviation and housing allowance ($830 per month) provided for pilots based in Guangzhou.

All amounts above are net of Chinese tax.

4-year contract


AND SOMETHING FOR THE FLYDUBAI PILOTS

Best B737 offer in terms of remuneration, commuting, base and environment!

Xiamen airlines (XMA), as the only Chinese airline who operates all Boeing aircraft, was established in July 1984, biggest shareholder of which is China Southern Airlines. To date, the fleet of Xiamen includes 126 B737NG, 6 B757, 6 B787, and Xiamen aims to expand to 243 B737NG/Max and 12 B787 by the end of 2025. They now operates a flight network of more than 200 routes, the routes cover 67 major cities in Asia and intercontinental routes to Sydney, New York and Amsterdam operated by B787.


Up to $ 323,868 USD (Resident) and $311,868 USD (Commuting) net yearly income

Commuting 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks off, 38days on 22days off, 2 months on/2 months off available

Base Xiamen -a modern coastal city in East China, ranked as “most suitable city for living” and “most romantic leisure city” in China

Education and Global insurance allowance

[Kapitanleutnant]

You're right... But when big money is involved, pilots will always sit up and take notice. We're pilots... That's how we roll.

K

[RexBanner]

I think that's how most people roll, not just pilots ;-)

[PPRuNeUser0215]

So high pay is suspicious and low pay is better ???

Keep flying 100h plus sims and moan here then... I m not going there but I fail to get the logic.

[sluggums]

...and the leave is awesome. What a joke. Since when was sick days included in the leave?

[777-200LR]

Yep, you come down with the flu for 3 days, "so sorry Captain, you're Xmas leave is now cancelled as you have no leave left"

[harry the cod]

XMA might work financially but CSA's package is a joke. Why would you go and work for a Company offering less than half the leave EK has when it's one of the main complaints here, not getting 42 days leave? Makes no sense whatsoever. When you then factor in your sickness being deducted from leave, you're asking for trouble! Salary is hardly worth the hassle too, even for a fairly junior Captain, unless you have a burning desire to breath smog and eat soupy noodles for the next ten years.

As for the most romantic leisure city, that was a joke right? Venice, Paris, Rome, Barcelona maybe. Xiamen? Er, think I'll stick with a cheap curry in Satwa, a few beers upstairs in the York Hotel and 500 dits for someone from Xiamen to whisper sweet nothings into my Japs eye for a few hours.

Now THAT'S romantic!

Harry

[tomuchwork]

Interesting comments on the China pay... So, why are you in the ME? For the nice, lovely warm weather? (^^).

China is absolutely worth a shot(commuting only), much better contracts nowadays than ME. Will look into that for my last few years before retirement when the kids are out of the house if I make it till then ;-)

[kingpost]

Be careful gents, you may be sitting on the same fourth years salary for ever - crunch the numbers, it's not worth the move!!

[DCS99]

... Er, think I'll stick with a cheap curry in Satwa, a few beers upstairs in the York Hotel and 500 dits for someone from Xiamen to whisper sweet nothings into my Japs eye for a few hours.

Now THAT'S romantic!

Harry

500 plus a curry?
Where was that deal on the Platinum Card offers list?

[fatbus]

How many EK pilots have actually gone to any Chinese carrier?
How any do you really think will go in the next 18 months?
EK pilots are known around the world as complainers , talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
I personally know 15 pilots that have gone to China over the last 5 years, shocking high number!
Update as you wish

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

Interesting, that so many companies are coming to DXB first of all habibis.

Now as to the package that CSA offer. Hahaaaa, 20 days leave and sick leave leave deducted, surely they jest :=:=

A 4 years contract only, no thanks.

Chinese medicals, are more akin to Astronaut medicals, every 6 months. Good luck with that as you get older. I have heard nightmare stories directly from guys that have attended interviews, initial medicals, and the poor standards of cleanliness at CAAC medical headquarters.

There is a reason that the $$$$ is high, living and working in China :ugh::ugh: I mean its not all bad, but each to their own.

SyB :yuk::yuk:

[outside limits]

Good points lads regarding the leave at CSA. It's a joke,as is its duty travel and commuting travel policy. Well, it does not have one. Up the the cabin purser if you get fed & where you sit. They are pushing for more pilots because people on leave from other airlines are happily returning and someone tends to know someone working for CSA & the job description isn't flash. Do your homework on this one.

[felixthecat]

20 days leave including sick??? Seriously going to need far better than that to even get a little nibble, I work to live not live to work...... Not a chance

Also a bit confused...China Southern is offering B777/Year 1/3 19k per month (228,000 PA) Year 3 20k per month (240,000 PA) Year 4 21k per month (252,000PA) with 20 days off.... Yet then they say Xiamen on B737 who has China Southern as main shareholder is offering up to 323,000PA and even offering 4 on 4 off.

Whats the deal? Such widely differing T&C for two companies with same major shareholder and more money on B737 than B777?? Strange....

[PPRuNeUser0215]

20 days leave including sick??? Seriously going to need far better than that to even get a little nibble, I work to live not live to work...... Not a chance

Commuting 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks off, 38days on 22days off, 2 months on/2 months off available

Often commuting contracts will have less leave than full time ones simply because the time off is scheduled at regular intervals such as stated above.
In an 8 weeks period with EK, how many times do you achieve 4 weeks off consecutively and repeatedly during the year ?
I don't know the specifics but looks to me than 4 weeks on/off is like 6 months leave a year. Days off granted whilst "On" will be minimal but just like it is with EK. However, the 4 weeks off to follow can be a value to many.

Horses for courses, nobody is forced to leave EK and its great rostering practice 😀😀😀 conducive to a healthy lifestyle.

[RemoveB4Flght]

I suppose the advantage is if you live in/near one of the reverse scheduling points like BNE, LAX, FRA, AMS, LHR, etc. Then your days off are at home and you're not spending a large part of your income in an intermediary country like we do here in the sandbox.

It would be interesting to talk to pilots currently flying from RSP and get their take on how well that is working.

Short of that, the way I see making China work is to get in, fly your ass off one one of the higher paying contracts for 3-5 years, pad the retirement fund, and then move on to a more agreeable location.

[felixthecat]

The 4 on 4 off commuting reads that its for Xiamen in the post not for China Southern who are offering the 20 days including sick days. Thats far below what even EK get :)

[fatbus]

CSA is planing MOMO but have a read of the details, 720 hrs, all recurrent don't be on month off , commute in Y on CSA plus a few other bits

[The Dominican]

I find interesting that all you read about EK is how awful it is..., but the same folks always complaining about EK, seem to always find everything negative that is to be found about any other alternative....!

[clear to land]

As professionals it is important to examine all details-any commuting job that does not include J class travel for its Captains makes you question the value that company places on its employees. Also, deducting sick leave from Annual Leave is a deal breaker for most experienced western pilots.

[The Dominican]

I didn't mean to interrupt professionals bitching, sorry......! I'll tell you something about being experienced..., you come to realize that there are no greener pastures, there are just different shades of brown....! And my point is that things must not be as bad as some of you portray here if you are looking for nirvana to leave!

A little hint...., you're not going to find it! That's why they are called jobs and not pastimes.

[InnocentBystander]

And my point is that things must not be as bad as some of you portray here if you are looking for nirvana to leave!

The Stockholm syndrome is very strong here. A lot of people with family already displaced their families a long way from home once, for a company that doesn't give a crap about them. All hail the profit. So they're very very afraid from displacing them again just for similar results.

[Monarch Man]

Dominican, I'm guessing your comments relate to what you think you know, I'm also sure you have spoken to enough ex EK drivers to also get an appreciation that it's not all in our collective imagination.
The devil you know when you have kids in school and a wife who enjoys the trappings can be problematic to wrest yourself away from, but you knew that because you've been here and lived it?
Regardless of your opinion, or anyone else's for that matter, all of us who have been for a while are continually looking for the exit, staying is now life and relationship threatening, quite simply the brutal nature of the rosters means 10 years is about as long as most can cope with.
The Chinese option is viable for some and repugnant for others, just the same as the Japanese or Korean offers.
For me, no amount of money could compensate me for the ordeal of working in China, Japan, or Korea, I would and will take a huge pay cut to return home in due course because this place, specifically EK, cares not one iota for the individual, it is however the devil I know.

[Aluminium shuffler]

I remember someone on here making a comment that was very poignant as well as wryly amusing (I wish I could remember who it was to credit them with it): the grass being greener on the other side of the fence just means it rains more there.

What jobs and locations are best for people is going to be extremely subjective, and there is no broad right or wrong in most cases (though a few companies are clear wins or losses). But it is critical that folk do extensive research before jumping. I have known colleagues here and in previous companies that have gone elsewhere without the slightest idea about the widely discussed problems in those companies, jumping wilfully blindly from pans into fires. That's fine if you're single, but not fair if you have a family. It pains me to state the blindingly obvious, but when you vote with your feet, make sure they are ruled by your head, not your heart. It is staggering how many people let emotion get out of control and make their lives, and oft their families', worse just for the sake of the moment of pleasure of resigning their current position without being careful about lining up a decent escape.

[woodja51]

Gents , lots of good points made from several out there.

China is great for the right pilot - RSP etc works pretty well. Not all beer n skittles and the leave is a definite issue.

But , as a fourth year captain about to settle into my Business class seat on a dead head CZ , MEL to CAN , it's not all terrible ...

But then I don't really want any more guys to come / apply either ... As if they can't get the pilots needed , they will (CSA that is ) ..are likely to have to match the higher salaries.

Which flows into me ...

So stay put unless you want a new adventure ! 👍

[Oscar84]

And what de you think about the smog and pollution?

Do you change your life for the new one with smog?

[fatbus]

And the air in Dubai is?

[White Knight]

displaced their families a long way from home once, for a company that doesn't give a crap about them.

So which company does give a crap about their pilots?:bored::uhoh::hmm:

And the air in Dubai is?

I know it's not good today here but China really is the polluted sh1thole of the world... And the local lads seem to like to make the flightdeck IFR too with their smoking. NO THANKS...

[The Dominican]

The Chinese option is viable for some and repugnant for others, just the same as the Japanese or Korea, For me, no amount of money could compensate me for the ordeal of working in China, Japan, or Korea,

Based on your experience working in Asia right? Because of course you wouldn't be making that statement based on the devil you think you know right?

I know a lot of people that are happy in EK so not everyone is looking for an out..., I also know a lot of people that are happy working in Asia..., and that's my point, job satisfaction is a personal preference...., I also know a couple of guys that took that paycut you are talking about to go back home and things are not what they expected...., guys that took that dream job at FedEx, UCAL, UPS just to find themselves applying to other jobs a couple of years down the line....! Go figure!

[bafanguy]

"...guys that took that dream job at FedEx, UCAL, UPS just to find themselves applying to other jobs a couple of years down the line....! "

The Dominican,

A life in freight flying looks to me like a tough way to earn a living so maybe I can see people leaving that world. But, what have you heard of/from people who left UCAL ?

[The Dominican]

@bafanguy....., the two individuals that I know that left UAL recently, well it was a long conversation but it boiled down to company culture...., they just didn't like working there for several reasons.

[bafanguy]

The Dominican,

I hope they landed someplace good. Leaving a legacy carrier is a bold move at this moment in history...unless you go to another legacy. ;-)

[Monarch Man]

Based on your experience working in Asia right? Because of course you wouldn't be making that statement based on the devil you think you know right?


Two places and 4 1/2 years of working in Asia to be precise, so I have a good idea the pitfalls and otherwise, for me, never again.

[Oscar84]

May you tell us where did you work in Asia??

[bafanguy]

The Dominican,

If I may, I'll send you a PM. I have a couple of questions and don't want to create any more thread drift than necessary.