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notapilot15
11th May 2016, 11:37
Looking at the latest reports EG employees number crossed 95,000. AFAIK that is almost 10,000 more than last year.

We know that very few are pilots and cabin crew may be little bit more. Where is it adding so many employees? Ground ops and kitchen may be??

Also is there any data available employees by nation/citizenship?

Thank You
NAP15

PositiveRate876
11th May 2016, 14:43
You can click on advanced search on HR direct to search by nationality, pay grade, workplace and other variables.

kumul1
11th May 2016, 18:00
Emirates Group includes DNATA worldwide and a few other departments.

fatbus
12th May 2016, 04:05
I'm guessing but, + 5/600 pilots and 4/5000 CC would make up about half the overall increase regardless of attrition

in freedom
12th May 2016, 05:13
as referred to in the Annual Report: dnata acquired a significant US ground handling business. So the 10,000 employee jump is not due to organic growth but rather an effect of M&A.

BigGeordie
12th May 2016, 06:38
I was chatting to the ground staff in the UK the other day. Although they wear DNATA uniforms they work for "DNATA UK" which is a separate company. So, among other things, no profit share for them. Remarkably we still left on time.

I don't know if those numbers would be included in the total headcount?

kumul1
12th May 2016, 07:05
According to the Group website, DNATA have a strength of 33000, that's a third of the Emirates Group count.

fatbus
12th May 2016, 07:11
The report also 100000 by end of next year

notapilot15
12th May 2016, 13:02
According to annual report

Emirates 61,205
dnata 34,117

FC ~4000
CC ~20000

That puts other Emirates employee count at 37,000. That's a lot of non-core employees for one hub operation, not counting dnata.

fatbus

Do you really notice 15% more pilots and 25% more cabin crew.

PositiveRate876
12th May 2016, 14:27
EK emoloyee per aircraft ratio 244!

The employees per aircraft ratio of Ireland’s Ryanair is just 29.69 because its 9,501 employees are looking after a fleet of 320 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft of Garuda Indonesia, the flag carrier of Indonesia, is 56.15 because its 7,861 employees are looking after a fleet of 140 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of Turkish Airlines is just 63.36 because its 18,882 employees are looking after a fleet of 298 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft of American Southwest Airlines is only 67.76 only because its 46,278 employees are looking after a fleet of 683 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $18.6 billion.

The employees per aircraft of Air China is just 70.39 because its 25,269 employees are looking after a fleet of 359 aircraft.

The employees-per-airplane ratio of Finland’s FinnAir is 76.01 because its 5,473 employees are looking after a fleet of 72 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft of the Caribbean Airlines of Trinidad and Tobago is 76.19 because its 1600 employees are looking after a fleet of 21 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft of Scandinavian Airlines or SAS is 88.70 because its 12,329 employees are looking after a fleet of 139 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of Swiss International Air Lines is 97.19 because its 8,067 employees are looking after a fleet of 83 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of Air New Zealand Limited is 101.85 because its 11,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 108 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft of American Delta Airlines is 110.80 only because its 80,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 722 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $40.3 billion.

The employees-per-aircraft ratio of International Airlines Group is 113.30 only because its 59,484 employees are looking after a fleet of 525 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $22.7 billion.

The staff-to-aircraft ratio of United Airlines is 117.48 only because its 84,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 715 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $38.9 billion.

The employees per aircraft of American Airlines is 120.66 only because its113,300 employees are looking after a fleet of 939 aircraft. The revenues of American Airlines stand at $42.7 billion.

The staff-to-plane ratio of Taiwan’s EVA Air is just 124.04 because its 7,815 employees are looking after a fleet of 63 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of Italy’s Alitalia is just 127.60 because its 14,036 employees are looking after a fleet of 110 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of British Airways is just 135.07 because its 39,710 employees are looking after a fleet of 294 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of Spain’s Iberia Air Lines is 140.63 because its 18,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 128 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft of Japan Airlines is 141.41 because its 31,534 employees are looking after a fleet of 223 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Egypt Air is 142.86 because its 9,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 63 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of UAE’s Eithad Airlines is 148.84 because its 17,712 employees are looking after a fleet of 119 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Saudi Arabian Airlines is just 152.40 because its 24,842 employees are looking after a fleet of 163 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft of Air Canada is just 157.89 because its 27,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 171 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Chile’s LATAM is just 165.85 because its 53,072 employees are looking after a fleet of 320 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of China Eastern Airlines is 166.36 only because its 68,874 employees are looking after a fleet of 414 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $14.6 billion.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Air France-KLM Airlines is 166.67 only because its 94,666 employees are looking after a fleet of 568 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $27.8 billion.

In case of Iran Air, it is 174.41 because its 7,500 employees are looking after a fleet of 43 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of China Southern Airlines is 175.78 only because its 90,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 512 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $17.6 billion.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Qatar Airways is just 179.19 because its 31,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 173 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Malaysian Airlines is just 181.82 because its 14,000 employees are looking after a fleet of 77 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of Russian Aeroflot is 187.21 because its 30,328 employees are looking after a fleet of 162 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft of Lufthansa Airlines is 193.13 because its 118,781 employees are looking after a fleet of 615 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $33.8 billion.

The employees per aircraft of the South African Airways is 216.81 because its 11,491 employees are looking after a fleet of 53 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Australian Qantas is 218.49 because its 28,622 employees are looking after a fleet of 131 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of Singapore Airlines is 219.84 because its 23,963 employees are looking after a fleet of 109 aircraft.

The employee-to-aircraft ratio of Emirates Airlines is 231.53 because its 56,725 employees are looking after a fleet of 245 aircraft. Its revenues stand at $24.2 billion.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Sri Lankan Airlines is 283.33 because its 6,800 employees are looking after a fleet of 24 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Air France is 295.97 because its 69,553 employees are looking after a fleet of 235 aircraft.

The employees per aircraft ratio of Thai Airways is 308.82 because its 25,323 employees are looking after a fleet of 82 aircraft.

Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has the world’s second worst employees per aircraft ratio of 391 staff per plane.

SyrianAir (Syrian Arab Airlines) has an employees per aircraft ratio of 400 as its 4,000 employees are taking care of 10 aircraft only!

fatbus
12th May 2016, 15:27
That was a waste of time. You need to compare apple with apples !

pacbro
12th May 2016, 15:46
Wow! (and not in a good way!) :ugh:

notapilot15
12th May 2016, 16:06
PositiveRate876
That's a great comparison, first I have ever seen.

Core Employees (FC + CC) per plane should give a better picture.

Emirates has a very lean core employee strength and bloated non-core employee strength again for a one hub in a city country.

2015-16 (14-15) % change
FC 3,868 (3,687) +4.9%
CC 21,722 (19,328) +12.4%
ENG 3,215 (2,702) +19%
Others 13,352 (13,182) +1.3%
Overseas 5,866 (5,672) +3.4 %
Subsidiaries 13,182 (12,154) +8.5%
Total 61,205 (56,725) +7.9%

dnata 34,117 (27,428) +24.4% (just 4.2% increase in UAE ops)

Emma Royds
12th May 2016, 16:57
We know that very few are pilots and cabin crew may be little bit more. Where is it adding so many employees? Ground ops and kitchen may be??

Most of the growth in numbers has been occurring outside of the UAE. With the majority of the increase coming from DNATA, their expansion and new business acquisitions overseas will account for a significant proportion of the increase in numbers.

bvcu
13th May 2016, 09:23
Simple numbers don't really mean a thing , look at all the companies that have outsourced work , they are still paying the wages of everything outsourced......... you could have an airline with a small office running it with everything outsourced , doesn't mean its better or more efficient !

notapilot15
13th May 2016, 10:47
Metrics and performance indicators in aviation are never perfect. Use the one suits your story line.

I think simple way to compare is to just use Core staff (Pilots + CC).

There are too many parameters to measure efficiency making it very difficult to track, like.
WB (vs) NB (vs) RJ/TP
SH (vs) RJ (vs) MH (vs) LH (vs) ULH
Outsourced (vs) In-house
Number of staffed stations
Number of Engg stations

bvcu
Airlines trying to do everything in-house are not considered efficient either. EK sends MX work to world's cheapest MROs and gets kudos for it. Those who try to do in-house end up spending more money.

Lufthansa Teknik has 39 MRO locations worldwide, but that employee count(very little to do with LH airline) gets used in employee count per LH plane.

PositiveRate876
13th May 2016, 17:54
You guys are a tough crowd. I concede that the above metric may not be an accurate reflection of efficiency.

Instead I propose a vote on alternative metrics:
-number of phone call attempts to any office employee before someone answers
-time to get a reply to an email
-number of people in what's referred to as Costa, but should really include the entire Atrium as well as the fitness center and pool upstairs during business hours
-Number of people in history who have been able to reach anyone is staff travel on the phone... ever.

Any other ideas to measure airline efficiency feel free to add.

notapilot15
14th May 2016, 14:59
PositiveRate876

Revenue per employee
Passengers per employee
ASKs per employee
Cargo(in Tons) per employee

come to mind.

BTW,did you compile that data, great job.