Another eswap limitation!!!!

[puff m'call]

The eswap system is already so limited it's almost impossible to swap flights, now it's got to be done 72hrs in advance!!!:ugh:

May as well just take it away completely.:*

[Pilot_Recruit]

It wasn't exactly clear, is that just for manual swaps or with the online swapping as well?

[Capn Rex Havoc]

Why are all these emails signed by the anonymous

"Fleet Management"

Regards

Emirates Pilots

[lospilotos]

Perhaps the new limitation is because it takes about 72 hours (at least) to get a reply if you need a manual swap...

[Ngenfire]

Could someone confirm that eswaps are still working as normal and only manual swaps are 72hrs notice?

[Capt. Flamingo]

Ngenfire,

Just tried a sample swap 2 days from now and sad to say that the bug has been already installed along with the many other restrictions.

Living the dream

[lospilotos]

Ngenfire,

Just tried a sample swap 2 days from now and sad to say that the bug has been already installed along with the many other restrictions.

Living the dream

And the other restrictions would be?

[helen-damnation]

lopilotos

There are loads, but you won't know what they are until you try to swap. I asked JA for a list some time ago but was told we can't have it. Company secrets?

[PositiveRate876]

Heard from the IT person presenting the rollout of the new bidding system that the roster restrictions (referred to as "business rules" in the bouncy castle) are a 5MB file that is too large to cover in the one hour session.

[Kobus Dune]

" It wasn't exactly clear "
As always with their memos at first issue. Just wait for the corrected version to be sent next week.
Probably written on a table corner at Costa.

[PMASHA]

The swap system is to be used as a privilege. When flights are swapped and drivers assign themselves back to back flights and then report fatigue it is a problem for the company. Sometimes we dig our own grave.

[lospilotos]

Oh I think I know about most restrictions, just sounded like there were more new ones...

[uba737]

PMASHA, great to see a company man on here!!!

[PMASHA]

uba737 thank you. The truth hurts

[uba737]

What? The truth, that is a relative term with you and your buddies at Costa's! Keep discovering!

[springbok449]

That's right PMASHA because the company of course never roster us with back to back flights...

[Capn Rex Havoc]

PMASHA - what is your position in the bouncy castle?

Are you really saying that the 72 hrs are needed to confirm a swap? The current system was doing that calculation with the b/s company rules in about 20 secs.:ugh:

When flights are swapped and drivers assign themselves back to back flights and then report fatigue it is a problem for the company.

I reckon with 4000 plus pilots that scenario must happen (if it does ever) about 0.00001 percent of the time. So typical- Punish all reaction by the muppets.

ESwap already has a 14 hour buffer on reporting for duty. Which is 2 hours more than the company can roster you to.

[nolimitholdem]

PMASHA's statement has to be a new high watermark in arrogant hypocrisy.

To suggest that pilot's swaps are responsible for the rampant fatigue in EK is beyond ludicrous. Point one: swaps are - as detailed extensively in other discussions - subjected to mountains of first regulatory restrictions, and then secondly, a litany of unpublished, secret restrictions concocted by the company for their sole benefit (in some cases, I suspect, out of petty vindictiveness. Hello, AAR, TCAS). Those restrictions are of course, promptly discarded when doing do benefits the company.

So if a swap is legal under these ridiculous conditions, how, dear PMASHA, do you find the pilot responsible for swapping himself into something fatiguing? Or are you admitting that the rules themselves, the same ones used to CREATE the rosters, induce fatigue? Oops, didn't think of that in your zeal to blame the victims.

Point two: One of reasons given for the restrictions on strings of days off, is that the resulting compression of flying hours in the remaining days would be fatiguing. Yet in months where leave is taken, i.e. longer than average strings of days off, the company manages to compress a completely disproportionate number of hours into the remaining days worked. In many cases what would be a normal month's flying at a reasonable airline is still flown in a couple of weeks at Emirates. This makes their claims hypocritical lies, and the policy, simple theft. I submit there is no such thing as "leave" at EK, they should really change the terminology to what is is: simple Guaranteed Days Off (GDO).

PMASHA, I'm sorry, but you "dug your own grave yourself" on this one. If you're going to shill for the company you have to produce at least some shred of truth. It makes for a more powerful lie, remember?

[PMASHA]

nolimitholdem you definitely don't seem to know what you are talking about. The roster system calculates the number of hours on pro rata basis and assigns duties. Check your facts or talk to the people who build rosters without making statements that you are not aware of. I understand this is a rumor forum, but let the rumors be graceful :) Happy flying guys.

[yardman]

PMASHA,
Are you honestly, and with a straight face, trying to deny that the company doesn't compress our rosters when we are assigned leave in a given month? Because I have been a meeting and heard senior tacitly admit that it does happen. Do you and I work in the same universe?

[alwayzinit]

PMASHA, my May roster has me performing like an airbourne yoyo between East and West. Is this what you mean by a "constructed roster". The theory of pinging backwards and forwards on a bit of elastic pinned to the Bouncy Castle somehow keeps my body clock glued to DXB time? If so please please try it, it doesnt work, it actually destroys any chance of a rest pattern rhthym and actively fatigues as if designed to do so. Brilliant!

[Capn Rex Havoc]

PMASHA - You are clearly clutching at straws. You haven't acknowledged the points about the swaps being legal and even more restrictive than the roster build. Yet for some reason now, it takes 72 hours to work out if it is legal. I could fly to the moon in that time.

So when you can't defend the eswap fiasco you switch to trying to defend roster compression when leave is assigned. Clearly you are not a pilot. I'm sure I am not the only one who has worked 60+hrs in a month where I was assigned 2 weeks leave. Yes PMASHA that is only 2 ULRs. Even by my poor maths thats the equivalent of over 120hrs in a normal month. But according to you that doesn't happen and its only a rumour that roster compression exists, and that I must of dreamed it.

[nakbin330]

nolimitholdem you definitely don't seem to know what you are talking about. The roster system calculates the number of hours on pro rata basis and assigns duties. Check your facts or talk to the people who build rosters without making statements that you are not aware of. I understand this is a rumor forum, but let the rumors be graceful :) Happy flying guys.

I would strongly suggest you are the one who is "not knowing".

[puff m'call]

and yes, it's "all swaps":ugh:

[Trader]

PMASHA - to your first point. If there are pilots who bid stretches of days OFF and then call sick fatigued then deal with them as individuals. Making blanket rules is counterproductive.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, if this is the case then the company and rostering must ensure that they do not do the same with roster compression - yet that is EXACTLY what rostering does.

Pro Rata basis?? What is the pro rata value? If we have, for arguments sake, an exact 4 week month and a pilot has 2 weeks of leave then in the remaining 2 weeks he should HALF a regular roster. Anything above that amount should be overtime. But that NEVER happens.

Worse, they assign 4 or 7 days of leave and the pilot still flies 90-95 hours? In other words--company roster compression.

To put it bluntly - it's unsafe.

[Aluminium shuffler]

PMASHA - I suspect their name is a contraction of Pilot Masher. Says it all...

[Talparc]

PMASHA

sorry your time is up here, back to Costa!
0h forgot its 14:15 so hurry to get home

[lospilotos]

It's Friday so he´s off today. He was also off yesterday due to the company recognized UAE public holiday, so a nice string of three days off, able to go for a short break somewhere with the family. That rarely happens to us nowadays.

[Talparc]

lospilotos:
oh yes, I forgot plus he has 4 regular off days as well so brings his string to 7 days.
Off to TRV to see his family.

[uba737]

Guys and Gals don't waste your time, PMASHA has the typical arrogant EK manager mentality! Always right, never wrong and remember its all our fault, always!

[ruserious]

PMASHA utter nonsense they manages to give me 70 hours block after 14 days leave, you call that pro-rata

[SOPS]

PMASHA is a Costa dweller.

[Am NOT Sure]

I doubt he is a manager or a costa dweller

Just an over excited employee

Please ignore him and don't inflate his ignorance

[altocu]

He or she is on Talk Central right now blowing smoke up management's ar*e but will be back here to revert and do the meaningful real soon.