New badge

[devonianflyer]

Do you think they'll be allowed to wear it on their jumpers too?

https://www.raf.mod.uk/community/news/raf-personnel-branch-badge/

[Union Jack]

Stand by for incoming from BEagle!:hmm:

Jack

[langleybaston]

The people with a dartboard marked out with postings destinations, and a slack handful of arrows, each with a name on it?

The Met Office has one, with a large number of iterations of title/ corporate image.

To the best of my fuddled recollection, in just 41 years of my service:

M.O. 10
Met. O. 10
Manning [whoops!]
Staffing
Personnel
Human Resources

and, for all I know now, another one or two.

[BEagle]

Yes, yes, yes, langleybaston - but will you weather-guessers PLEASE sort out this wretched cold weather!

I'm not familiar with the Personnel Branch - but perhaps something which indicates provision of comfort, uplift and general support* for service personnel might be appropriate?

Actually, if they can come up with a 'brand identitty', then the best of luck to them!


*TIP - try a google image search for this!

[Haraka]

Good suggestion Beags!
It could also include the musicians as I read it following your tip:

"The guide for a more comfortable, uplifted and neater bust. ... 80% of all support in a bra comes from the band that goes round your back"

[Background Noise]

Something depicting a square peg and a round hole, emblazoned with the motto - 'Clausi in feriis'

[ExAscoteer]

A badge for Scribblies?

Oh dear gods, whatever next, a blanket badge for Stackers?


I have a suggestion, how about a Penguin?

[Herod]

I have a suggestion, how about a Penguin?

Do they still make them?

Perhaps a crossed pen and axe?

[Pontius Navigator]

How about suspenders?

Que BEagle again.

[Stitchbitch]

An axe is useful, how about 'closed for staff training' badge or a very small stable belt?

[Not_a_boffin]

How about suspenders?


That'd cover off the diversity bit, with some sort of rainbow ribbon obviously....

[kenparry]

A fist with one raised finger?

[Pontius Navigator]

Seriously though, where is this badge going to be displayed or worn?

If on uniform then everyone will want one (Sooties, plumbers, loggies, fairies, etc).

Then cost, what budget? I wonder how far up money tree is the sponsor?

[CoffmanStarter]

BEagle ...

May I suggest that the 'article' you could also possibly allude to has the 'Cricket Box' mod (made by Litesome) ... As I suspect, as in the commercial world, most people feel they've been kicked in the nether regions whenever dealing with 'Human Remains' (sorry Human Resources).

And if so the Motto could be ... 'Truss Us' :}

This could be a contender graphic :E

http://zmainvestments.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/coin-flip.jpg

But I refrain from suggesting a Motto ...

[Wander00]

As a former scribbly, this proposal leaves me wholly underwhelmed

[charliegolf]

Motto:

"in triplicata placet"

CG

[Out Of Trim]

Hmmm, must be a handbrake badge with a broken wing! :ok:

[langleybaston]

Brilliant ............. and there was me thinking it was 1st April.

As for the weather, I abdicated all responsibility not when I left the Met. Office, but when I joined.

[dallas]

Per Astra ad Ardua :rolleyes:

[Deskex76]

Please leave the badges to those at the pointy end, and spend the money on something useful instead.

I always thought that the role of we scribblies was to do what we could to make the lives of drivers, geographical consultants and the like, as well as those of us in the supporting cast, as free as possible from unnecessary faff. To earn the Queen's shilling whilst doing so was reward in itself.

[Bob Viking]

Deskex76.

Sadly, in my experience, you would appear to be in the minority amongst your brethren. But let's not go there.

BV

[ExAscoteer]

Nothing's changed there then BV.

[MPN11]

Ummm ... is this "Badge" what one would normally call a Unit Shield or similar term?

[Tinribs]

The purpose of the RAF is to fly and to fight; The purpose of those who do not fly or fight is to assist those who do. The better kind of supporters understood this and worked at it, sadly many did not

[FL575]

Deskex76,

Don't worry about the cost. By the time a committee have sorted this out, the RAF will only be of the size that requires half a dozen, and that will include a couple of spares.

[Lima Juliet]

How about writing on their rank badges like TCW and TSW? They could have BLUNT on theirs? :E

[taxydual]

Tinribs

The purpose of the RAF is to fly and to fight; The purpose of those who do not fly or fight is to assist those who do.

So, basically, the RAF consists of the 'winged master race'. Other wearers of the light blue are just 'assistants'.

Hmm

[Danny42C]

This may well degenerate into another "Caption Competition" - only funnier.

To get the ball rolling, how about Wingless Wonder ? (to go with a Badge of a quill, a blindfold and a Dodo)

D.

[NutLoose]

A brass badge worn on the left cuff saying QWERTY

[Out Of Trim]

To save expending much needed budget resources, they will be required to make their own badges in their own time! :eek:

[uffington sb]

Just leave it blank, like the template.

[Lima Juliet]

So, basically, the RAF consists of the 'winged master race'. Other wearers of the light blue are just 'assistants'.

We're all 'assistants' on delivering the airborne effect on the desired target. Some have a bigger role to play than others, but we're all part of the team that delivers that 'effect'.

Despite my suggested 'BLUNT' badge, I do think a badge of trade/branch is a good idea. Being able to walk into a room and at a glance have a reasonable idea of someone's specialisation is a good thing. That's why the WSO/WSOp flying badge was such a daft idea...:yuk: Originally, it was planned to have a badge to distinguish between a Nav and a Fast Jet Weapons System Operator - it went wrong when non-FJ types started to get involved. Personnally, I would have revived the RO (RADAR Observer) brevet for the FJ types.

http://www.rafweb.org/Uniform_Images/radio_obs.jpg

Anyway, I believe there should be a distinguishing insignia for all branches/trades...

LJ

[skippedonce]

Typical of official announcements; only released 26 days late for an April Fool's Day joke. Perhaps a circular orange badge: in the RAAF they're known as JAFAs - Just Another F...ing Adminer.

[Corporal Clott]

The RCAF have a badge for everyone:

Canadian Forces - Air Force - Air Trade Badges (http://va3kgb.ve3kbr.com/forces/air_trade_badges.htm)

The Resource Management Support Clerk is a feather in an ink pot:

http://va3kgb.ve3kbr.com/graphics/military/trades/airforce/836resourcemanagesupportclerk.png

CPL Clott

[Corporal Clott]

http://va3kgb.ve3kbr.com/graphics/military/trades/airforce/831administrativeclerk.png

http://va3kgb.ve3kbr.com/graphics/military/trades/airforce/841financeclerk.png

http://va3kgb.ve3kbr.com/graphics/military/trades/airforce/68personneladministration.png

[taxydual]

Spot on, Leon. You hit the operative word, TEAM.

[North Front]

Save money by adopting an anchor... Huge inanimate weight that impedes progress. We could always differentiate it by putting a "W" in front of it...

[3engnever]

With the current aircrew retention issue it may be worth issuing them a Future Pilot sticker rather than waste time designing a new badge!

[Rigga]

I think the question should be...do Scribblies want to be easily identifiable out of their office (of which they're seldom 'in').

[Wander00]

Deskex - well said, more pointedly, to oil wheels, not put grit in them

[Tankertrashnav]

Serious question - has there ever been such a thing as a branch badge? I was in the GD Branch and we never had one. True, the RAF Regiment had one, but as any rockape will tell you, the Regiment is a corps, not a branch.

[unclenelli]

How about a mudflap saying "CHAIRBORNE"

[PingDit]

I've been working hard. Do you think they'll like it?

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n608/PingDit/Pings%20jpeg%20desk%20badge.jpg (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/PingDit/media/Pings%20jpeg%20desk%20badge.jpg.html)

[Robert Cooper]

You SOBs have got to be kidding!!!

Bob C

[Pontius Navigator]

Having found the template, this will obviously take the form of a signed design, a cloth patch, a ties a wooden shield.

Precedents for such formal badges are Command, Group, Formation, and unit crests. Is there any precedent for a branch crest?

As the cloth badges are usually worn on coveralls will scribblies now wear coveralls or store coats?

Without a planned usage how can you create a corporate design? Would all handbrake houses display the branch badge so you know where you are?*

I recall 10 years ago we were instructed to use the RAF crest on correspondence but I think that has crept back in.




*
Abandon hope all ye who enter . . .

[teeteringhead]

I'm slightly surprised to find myself underwhelmed by all the fuss.

It's a badge, that's all - just like Stations (and of course Squadrons) have, although often miscalled "crests".

Plenty of non-Op Stations - given there is such a thing, as they are all surely part of the support - have badges and have had in the past, without this furore. If you didn't/don't object to - say - RAF Quedgeley or RAF Kidbrooke having badges, why the huff on a branch having one????

(Not sure why anyone would want to advertise the fact tho .......... !!)

Teeters (GD/P through and through!)

[ICM]

It was done back in 1944. The Adjutant on 10 Sqn was very highly thought of by unit aircrew and they designed and awarded him a 'Flying Adjutant' badge - FA in the laurel wreath, and a quill pen replacing the single wing.

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc463/Old141Nav/file_24.jpg

[teeteringhead]

a 'Flying Adjutant' badge - FA in the laurel wreath FA ........

......... how sweet ........ ;)

[NutLoose]

Serious question - has there ever been such a thing as a branch badge? I was in the GD Branch and we never had one. True, the RAF Regiment had one, but as any rockape will tell you, the Regiment is a corps, not a branch. Wiggly amp brigade has the

http://www.rafgreatworth.com/photos/165.JPG

Then there are the para wings.

[Tankertrashnav]

Yes but that's a trade, not a branch. Most wearers would have been in the Eng Branch (or whatever they call it these days) but there were lots of other trades in the branch who didn't wear one. So the question still stands - has there ever been a branch badge before? Para wings similarly a qualification badge.

[ian16th]

TTN

The 'sparks' badge was worn by Teleg's & wireless ops in Trade Group 11 and the fitters & mechanics of Trade Group 2.
It is nice to see that the Canadian's incorporate the sparks badge in their current line up.

As for others in the RAF that had a badge:

PTI's?
Musicians?

[Top Bunk Tester]

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad168/Gadget_Meister/image_zpszjdosd2j.jpeg

[teeteringhead]

Mountain Rescue and BD/EOD - not strictly trades either ......

[Bladdered]

Is it the 1st of April...........................:ugh:

[NutLoose]

http://www.pencilrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/IMG_0319.jpg

Replace YAY with RAF

[NutLoose]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/21/41/b2/2141b2dea57b2de8d09ebc4d1caa5c15.jpg

Redo this minus the eyes, then you would have a No Eye Deer badge, that would be apt.

[NutLoose]

I find this rather strange

http://www.awardmedals.com/images/wraf-lapel-pin-lrg.jpg

Is that to prove she is female?

[Pontius Navigator]

TTN, the only branch badge of which I am aware was Marinecraft Branch but,unlike Personnel which are bound by the unit which they serve, they were akin to an autonomous group within Coastal Command and attached the various Air Forces that they serve.

[Kitbag]

The Engineer Branch has this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8YPaLpCcAA8ERi.jpg

[Pontius Navigator]

Trouble is it is not a trade badge or a lapel pin or cloth badge of a quill or mouse, but a Royal badge designed by the College of Arms and aplroved by HMQ. Apart from lapel pins worn by veterans, or car stickers, the cloth badges are worn on flying suits or coveralls by aircrew and some ground crews such as BBMF and Reds.

[Pontius Navigator]

Kitbag, well done, that nails it.

Now tell us what they do with it and where it is displayed.

[Kitbag]

Dunno, I'm a techie, not an engineer. Best person to ask is that bloke with a brain the size of a planet; Julian Young, I think he was the driving force behind it (may not be though)

[Pontius Navigator]

Ah, introduced to universal acclaim and issued to all ranks to wear on their coveralls. Oil resistant I presume.

[MPN11]

PN ... what I said at Post #22, really, but without a pretty picture ;)


HQ Military Air Traffic Operations (HQ MATO) also had a badge, but Google is preventing me from finding an example. It was used by several Area Radar Units until they acquired their own badges. Never had one for ATC as a Branch, though, or for individual Towers [being subordinate to the Station]. I always fancied being OC 3216 ATC Sqn [no, not THAT ATC]. ;)

[NutLoose]

Does anyone else think what a waste of money in a time when there are cutbacks all round.
And where will it end, when the RAF are reduced to wearing uniforms plastered in badges that would not look out of place in some African backwater?.

[NutLoose]

You could adapt the wriggly trade one for everyone,

For scribblies a clenched hand holding a quill
For engineers a clenched fist holding a spanner
For catering a clench fist holding a fork
For PTI a clench fist holding a dumbell
For regiment a clench holding a bayonet.

Etc

[MPN11]

Hello? Does anyone here read before posting?

This is NOT a uniform badge.

It is an Heraldic Badge. Simples.

Carry on enjoying the banter. :D

[TheWizard]

http://www.redrockdecals.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x770/fefd73add5c3f1c8670a65ce1314fb9c/7/0/7023_noentry.jpg

[Rigga]

Ju-Ju-Babe may have a v. large brain but that doesn't make him right all the time.

[Tankertrashnav]

Thanks kitbag - that certainly answers my question.

P-N - I'd forgotten about the Marine Branch, did they have a branch badge, as opposed to the ASR sleeve badge some of them wore?

[NutLoose]

Hello? Does anyone here read before posting?

This is NOT a uniform badge.

It is an Heraldic Badge. Simples.

Carry on enjoying the banter. :D


yes, nothing to stop them being used as so, for a motto perhaps "words not deeds"... nice play on others :)

[Pontius Navigator]

TTN, it would appear so. Look here:

rafweb.org

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=raf+marine+branch+crest&biw=1366&bih=622&tbm=isch&imgil=dyg3aOZLe2jcYM%253A%253BuShEpEeOaFTTVM%253Bhttp%25253A %25252F%25252Fwww.rafweb.org%25252FBadges%25252FOther_Units. htm&source=iu&pf=m&fir=dyg3aOZLe2jcYM%253A%252CuShEpEeOaFTTVM%252C_&usg=__F3BoClCQYIqQH1QQiQx86DWW-FY%3D&ved=0ahUKEwi8_JLq1bXMAhWBD8AKHdFFCwYQyjcINA&ei=G0gkV_yCG4GfgAbRi60w#imgrc=dyg3aOZLe2jcYM%3A

As it is on the proper shield it looks official. The RAF Police too I see.

[FantomZorbin]

TBT


An alternative motto: 'Non dicit in Computer'

[Pontius Navigator]

Serious for once:

Crossed quills over a sword with a tablet below

Calamus gladio fortior

[E-Spy]

Fixed your spelling for you, PN

Calamitatis gladio fortior

[Pontius Navigator]

Thank you spy, but was trying to be serious for once., Yes, your alternative would work. Brings to mind, why bomb the HQ and stop all the confusion.

[Danny42C]

Nutloose (your #66),

ATC - a clenched fist holding a Chinagraph.

[langleybaston]

Met Office?

Two hands holding crystal balls?

Or the economy version, one hand holding a pine cone?

Or one finger pointing to a sucker's gap.

[MPN11]

ATC - a clenched fist holding a Chinagraph.Whilst that might pass muster with the Inspector of Badges and HMQ, I was more minded to something more representative of Flying Prevention.

Might I propose a "No Entry" sign, wings volant and elevated of course? Motto "Volante hic" *


* At least, that's what Google Translate tell me, although I'm not convinced! :)

[MPN11]

@ PN ... your post #72 led me to a interesting discovery of a Military outfit that would appear to offer me money in return for my assortment of [mint] cloth badges that just sit in a drawer.

I seem to have 14 or so of merchantable quality - maybe £50-worth :D

[Trim Stab]

Anything as long as they don't call it Staff and Personnel Support branch, as the army bizarrely decided to do. The poor guys have to wear "SPS" badge and so have to be chided every day about belonging to the Special Pen Service.

[Pontius Navigator]

CFS - duck, cat and dog