DEWA deduction

[Buford]

Check your December payslips. Just noticed a DEWA cap deduction of almost 400dh taken from mine. Happy New Year!

[harry the cod]

Mate, you need to turn off the AC during winter and stop keeping the pool heater on. As for the climate controlled shed to keep the bikes from rusting........ :roll eyes:

Harry

[Fugazi]

Finally agree with Harry on something. Buford, grow up a little and try to protect this planet for your kids. You are paying an extra 400 dhs a month cos you obviously have no regard for excessive waste of our precious resources. Probably one of those guys who thinks since the company pays I will screw them on wasting as much electricity as i can. :mad:

[White Knight]

You must be really using a lot of juice buford... Even with a 4 bed and 5 people in the villa (and good size garden to water) I've never even been anywhere near the cap!

Notwithstanding the company contractual obligation to pay all utilities of course!!!

[donpizmeov]

A friend in Cedre Villas had an upstairs water pipe burst when family were out at the mall. Returned home to a flooded house. And two months later was charged Aed 800 for excess DEWA

[puff m'call]

I'm getting charged also. Now I'm looking for a good Lawyer!!

it's going to cost them way more in extra fuel!!!

And as for you pathetic Tree Huggers, how much carbon are you pumping out to the sky every time you go to work? more than you damn light bulbs that's for sure!!

[harry the cod]

Ah, come on Puff that's not fair! Not only do I try and single engine taxi every flight but a CDA is always attempted.....even in the US. That and the energy saving bulbs in the Cod household and the daily wife beatings for having the AC on too low. Kids walk to school in the summer (12k round trip) and I make the gardener water my 3 acre plot weekly using only a watering can. Takes him 7 hours but at $1 a day labour pay, I can afford it!

Joking aside, contractually you have all utilities paid for by Emirates. UAE Nationals get subsidised rates so the Company can't really charge you as the threshold is different for them. Therefore, by default, you are being discriminated against. Wouldn't look good in court, even in Dubai. With the current state of affairs and shortage of drivers, I'd fight it.

Having said that, to be over the limit does indeed reflect an excessive use of juice! Maybe an offer to reduce by next month would be the way forward?

Harry

[BYMONEK]

PUFF

Way to go my man, that will teach them to screw with the pilots eh! Seriously dude, do you really think taking extra gas every flight will make a difference to this Companies bottom line? The only person who suffers is you. Not only will you likely receive a nice letter from the CP for 'above average' extra fuel, most of the F/O's you fly with will think you're a knob. Personally, I wouldn't blame them.

How old are you again? :ugh:

[LHR Rain]

These are all good points but we as pilots are missing the point. Emirates will pay all electricty, water and gas. Granted I have seen to many pilots with their front doors open during the summer but why we get bills is an indication of what type of company we slave for, but we already knew that.

[Buford]

No pool, no shed, switch the a/c off in winter & energy saving bulbs to boot. Not even a maid to clean the floors daily. Just happen to have one of the larger lots in DSO and a backyard with real grass - not the artificial stuff. Fact is, more money being removed from our pay checks that we have no control over & yet another contract 'tweak' that just appeared over the years. LHR Rain gets it. Harry, you gotta be one of the most condescending twats on here :rolleyes:.

[fatbus]

If that's the case there might be a lot of guys close to the max in DSO. Maybe if there was a large number of guys complaining and threatening it might gets the max removed . Remember that accommodation has nothing to do with fleet and be careful how and who you address this issue.

[gardenshed]

Buford, can suggest that you get all the pipes checked for leaks etc.
Also make sure that your electric supply hadn't been hijacked by someone else.

[shades]

400 DHS :ugh: really.....wow feel for you man!

[777boyindubai]

Shades. As part of the contract that I and many others signed, EK are liable for all utilities including cooking gas. Some years ago, arbitrarily, they introduced a cap as a very small number of people were abusing the system and some EK manager wanted to make a bonus. However, it was contractual to receive ALL utilities. Which they changed illegally. I wrote to Ed and told him no way not happening and also wrote to the muppets in EK Accommodation saying the same thing.

It isn't about the 400 shekels. It is about those in the Puzzle Palace once again trying to screw the pilots. The price of wholesale gas has dropped and yet DEWA continue with the fuel surcharge and profit binge on the back of exhausted staff.

Dubai Inc, will face some serious Financial problems trying to service debts and keep the locals happy and pay for 2020.

This is an attempt at the usual greed knowing full well that EK are not subject to UAE Labour Law and will try anything to get one over on the pilot populace.

How would you feel if the contract you signed in good faith wasn't honoured?

[fatbus]

It also states in most accommodation regulations , no external modifications . If that was causing the higher usage than company can bill all they want.

[Buford]

No external modifications at our place, no extra room additions, just a larger than average plot that we've been in for almost 10 years. As usual the minority spoil it for the many but we all end up paying - external modifications or not.

[nolimitholdem]

Finally agree with Harry on something. Buford, grow up a little and try to protect this planet for your kids. You are paying an extra 400 dhs a month cos you obviously have no regard for excessive waste of our precious resources. Probably one of those guys who thinks since the company pays I will screw them on wasting as much electricity as i can.

Mate, you need to turn off the AC during winter and stop keeping the pool heater on. As for the climate controlled shed to keep the bikes from rusting........ :roll eyes:


LOL God the place is just comical. Pilots lecturing each other on saving the planet "for your kids".

Meanwhile earning their living in a desert with gold courses and an indoor ski hill.

But hey, get those low-flush toilets and CF light bulbs and it's all good, right?

The hypocrisy simply has no limits.

If you are living in Dubai and supporting the way things are done, YOU are the problem. You can't have it both ways: perpetuating the status quo and then sermonizing against it. It's beyond absurd.

The contract states that EK will pay the utilities. The cap is crap, an arbitrary attempt to reach into your pocket yet once again. You are correct to fight it, even if you will most assuredly lose.

[springbok449]

Buford,

I would go gardenshed's way if I was you, even if you have a big plot of grass, water is actually the "cheap" part of the DEWA bill.
Especially is this is the first time you've reached you cap seems like something has changed in your villa consumption and it may not be you...

[fliion]

Nolimit.

What a load of crap.

For the majority making a career decision is not done based on the environment but once in situ acting like a responsible human being and getting your fam & kids to do their bit is wholly reasonable.

Intellectually tying the two together? Ha nice try.

[cerbus]

There is no way anyone in the middle east should lecture on the Green Planet idea. Most of us drive huge SUVs, have AC 9 months of the year and drink de-salinisation water. Most of everything we do and buy day to day is imported so that adds to the emissions. If you are into this idea that is a huge environmental carbon footprint and pending disaster but almost none of us think about on a daily basis.
Also none of us have question or are questioning why the company is now charging some pilots for DEWA bills. What does this say about the compnay and their operating practices?

[Buford]

Except Filion I'm not taking the p.... I happened to get a nice bit of grass many years back so my kids could run around a decent size backyard, as they would if we were 'home'. I've done nothing to jeopardize the contractual obligation on my part i.e. no unlawful extensions, no pool/room additions, no leaving the a/c on no matter the time, day or year. My kids are expected to turn off lights and shut the taps off - one of my kids is even involved in an environmental group at school - so I can do without the judgement and lectures from the pseudo-environmentalists on the board. What it boils down to is that based on the company's villa allocation almost 10 years ago I'm now footing the extra cost of utilities that were supposedly covered as part of the original contract signed. Just another example of changed conditions. I'm guessing the 'cap' isn't about to get raised and, if anything, will only be made smaller in the coming years, '...in the name of the environment'....

[JAARule]

Point made.

[harry the cod]

JAARule

Bad day at work....or just struggling after downing 3 Budweisers?

If you read my post, my initial one, you'll see that it was 'tongue in cheek'. How the hell do I know who Buford is and what size house he has and whether he has a bloody pool or not? The bike shed was reference to the very catalyst for this cap after one of our Swiss colleagues was discovered with an AC extension from his villa to the shed. It was because of idiots like him that we have this policy so if you want to rant, visit the accommodation department.....if you can stop frothing enough to string a sentence together.

And if you're going to use big words to impress, make sure you have a good comprehension of what they mean first eh! Your third paragraph merely confirms my second post in which I refer to discrimination and why I'm actually in agreement with Buford and Puff to fight the charge. Hardly being prosetylize if we're in agreement, is it?

I know people can struggle with British humour but do try to keep up old chap! :bored:

Harry

[CaptainChipotle]

Whew. Wasn't sure how long I could go without a post from HTC about how awesome/smart/funny/loyal EK drone he is.

Oh, and how savvy of an investor he is.

of all the things going on at this place, you guys find the time to complain about this. No wonder we are where we are. Look at yourselves. Again, quit complaining on here and grow a pair of balls, walk in to your managers office and respectfully air your case.

[nolimitholdem]

For the majority making a career decision is not done based on the environment but once in situ acting like a responsible human being and getting your fam & kids to do their bit is wholly reasonable.

Intellectually tying the two together? Ha nice try.

Oh I see. So you're doing the "change from within" thing, is that it? Now that you're living in the country with the largest carbon footprint per capita on the planet, you're going to "do your bit"?

Honestly, I just couldn't write anything funnier if I tried.

You live in a desert. With man-made snow in a mall. With golf courses that consume massive amounts of the most precious substance on earth. Created by consuming massive amounts of energy to desalinate. The entire city is air-conditioned for most of the year, by energy produced by burning massive amounts of natural gas. The vehicle of choice for most pilots is certainly not a small car, or a hybrid. Is it? Massive glass structures designed solely for ego, not suitability for the environment. And on it goes.

Tell us all again, how is tying holier-than-thou scolding of a colleague for energy wastefulness some kind of intellectual leap from choosing to support such a place with your labour? The waste in Dubai is systemic, not the result of one or two bad choices about which type of light bulbs are more efficient.

Go ahead and be a "responsible human being", but at least be intellectually honest enough to admit it is a purely idealogical choice, not one with any chance of actually affecting anything in practical terms.

Not that there isn't value in sticking with your convictions - hey, it's a good example for the kiddies - but deluding oneself about the impact of your actions is somewhat....quixotic.

[Dubai2004]

What is wrong with some people? Are you guys serious? This is so embarrassing! If you used too much water and electricity, then you should pay for it. Full stop. Just because you are flying a plane that burns a lot of fuel, the company should not charge you for your overconsumption of water?!?! Wow, that logic! Shocking some of you fly a plane for living. Really. Your flying at EK has nothing to do with the responsibilities you and your family have as human beings living on this planet. Sure Dubai is not a "green" city, but doesn't mean you can waste as much water as you want and not pay for it. And 400 dirhams? Wow, I hope it didn't hurt your paycheck. And yes, we can lecture him about water and electricity consumption! He used more than his allowance, so he needs to pay for the extra! Pretty much applies to most things in his life. Normal and responsible people know that and teach their children the same!
Good night!

[Wizofoz]

The point, Dubai2004, is that it is a direct breech of what is written in our contract.

How many of your contractual entitlements do you just decide to give away?

[fliion]

Another thread goes south because there are basically two types of debaters;

The ones who tackle subject and argue from there ....fair enough...we agree to disagree

And then there are the guys that have a few beers, take it personally and hurl names...

Man up and fight the subject not the person. Insulting others is an admission that you don't have the skill set to argue the point ...so only one option...machine gun spray profanity & insults...(emotional control anyone?)

I stand by my post;

What Nolimit is saying (I disagree with); is that because this place is perversely non- enviro minded...then we as people living here have no right to argue that doing our little bit is the right thing because by the mere fact that we have chosen to come here completely invalidates our principles

Well if that's the case then if there is anything else here that is systemically flawed - education, justice, driving, manners in a Q ETC - then forget doing your bit with your kids homework, driving correctly, behaving properly in a Q

BECAUSE you all came here knowing that it was flawed so stop being hypocrites by trying to do the right thing..right?

(Still Xmas light burning through the night in my block)

At no point did I state : you are not entitled to free DEWA

Just act responsibly - on here - and in da hood

Peace & love