EK annual hours

[Yossarian]

There's a lot of talk on here about overwork etc. Is there anyone out there willing to publish their actual flying hours in the last 12 months at EK?

I'll go ahead at 810 hours in the last 365 days factorised, or 892 hours in the aircraft.

I know I've been slacking, and I apologise, because I know of mates with far more than this, who will probably not post. Maybe they're too tired.

But the good news is that if you do go sick, and it takes a while to get your license back, and after 3 weeks it is suspended, it is now a GCAA requirement that you have to do a CDT test before you get your license back. I :mad: you not!

[The Zohan]

731 stick - 893 block
(380 skipper)

[FuelFlow]

B777 Capt, 806 un-factored.

[bringbackthe80s]

380 captains fly 893 block hrs in a year???:ooh:

[LHR Rain]

Why do you act so surprised 80s?
It will be soon be 1000 hours a year at a minimum for EK pilots.

[helen-damnation]

832 with 40 days leave :O (380)

Was a better year, like wine, some will be more like vinegar :(

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

As of last medical it was 770 annual hours, not many ULRs these days 777 :ugh: 35 days leave last year.

I only count block and when I am on the plane, I log the hours if part of the crew!

SyB :zzz::zzz:

[Rim-job]

890 hours for me in last 12 months... A380. Non factored. Straight up block.

Pardon my ignorance gents, but is the limit 900 hours or 1000? There is so much talk of limit change I can't keep it all straight. I normally don't check my totals but I'm a little shocked i'm that close to 900. Well not really but you get my drift. Good thing I sprinkled in a few sick calls.

If the limit is 900, Fakk me. :ugh:

[WhiteFly]

Total Block Time: 899: 43

on fat bus!

[The Zohan]

Rim-job the limit is 900 stick time. the portal shows only total block and partial stick.
if you want to know how close you are to the 900 hrs limit you have to do your own math. you and I have the same block hours and being both on the 380 my guess is you are around 750ish stick, so far away from any limit (according to EK)...

tz

[Rim-job]

Thanks for clearing that up Zohan! :ok:

No matter what way you slice it, flying anywhere near 900 hours is a lot of flying. Especially when you take into account 2 months are gone to vacation, sick calls, etc.

That means we are 90 hours/month for 10 months out of the year. And don't even get me started on the "free" 3am sims and ground school days I happen to donate every few months that are not included in the 90 hours I'm referencing.

That's just crazy come to think of it. Suicide in fact. :mad:

[GoreTex]

896 block 380 PIC

[X-BleedOpen]

A380 F/O
859h in the last 12 months, including yesterday's flight, and with Reserve month of 90h included.

[kingpost]

Zohan

The CARS limit you to 900 hours block time, not stick time!!

[Pucka]

Zohan

The CARS limit you to 900 hours block time, not stick time!!

For what it's worth as a comparison..at Cx,777 I am right on a running 900hr roster..most of the captains are whether line or training.i have one long haul a month then a shed load of regionals..all long days.we include time in bunk tho.not happy days here either team....

[The Zohan]

The CARS limit you to 900 hours block time, not stick time!!

Kingpost, why are we factoring our hours then?

tz

[thatwasclose]

I am at 849. Thats with all my leave taken till November. And about 20 days non flying for some ground duties.

[nakbin330]

907 block, 820 stick. 42 days leave, no sickness. 777 Cap.

[The Zohan]

Flying hours credited to augmenting crew members for the purposes of calculating the absolute limits on flying hours (for both 100 hours in 28 days and the 900 hours for any consecutive 12 month period) will be based on the actual time in an operating seat, as recorded by the Voyage Report.

Kingpost, it's stick time (in EK).

tz

[The Zohan]

380 captains fly 893 block hrs in a year???:ooh:

938ish (block) by the end of this month if I don't fall sick in the next days...

tz

[VLS with ice]

950 total block of which just over 800 "ek" time

[White Knight]

888 Block. Much of it sleeping in a bunk (noisy kids notwithstanding) so the 'EK' time quite a lot lower...

[framer]

We are all tapped out and now the word is out worldwide about the horrible conditions; leave, medical clinic, rosters, hours. 7-8 days off with back to back flights. Layovers now 12hrs45 in SEZ ... USA with the majority layove
That's true. Down in NZ Ausi everyone is aware of how hard you guys are working. I've recently seen two guys pull the pin at the last minute after gaining more info on your lifestyles. It was until a year or two ago seen as a place to go to gain financial security.....now, not worth it.
Good luck to you all.

[GLAndy]

890 hours block, and thankfully heading on leave. I can't be bothered with stick time. B777 Captain, so doing less ULR than last year.

[ridingthetops]

780 h block, 33 days of leave, 3 times called sick, 380 skipper

[expat400]

You guys spend a lot of time in the aircraft, that's for sure. But it would be interesting to see the number of duty days per year in relation to these block hours. 900 BLH can feel very differently depending on the work patterns.

[fliion]

All these hours are based on going through eGate @ 60min prior.

: /

f.

[Rogerwilko]

930 Hours in 365, with two ULR's to do I will be 978 hours by the end of the month and will actually be 978 Hours in 365 by the end of the month.

What a perfect situation, we don't count bunk hours towards our monthly or annual limits, from an Ops manual signed off by the UAE GCAA, but nowhere in the GCAA's currently published CAR's is this legal.

Pushing through, EK's own medical department has a requirement introduced that anyone who reports being fatigued is subject to a mandatory CDT Test for alcohol consumption (it's nothing to do with your workload or sleep pattern)

Carbohydrate deficient transferrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate_deficient_transferrin)

Because you're fatigue is obviously not caused by flying way beyond the GCAA's published legal CAR maximums, no it's because you're obviously an alcoholic. Thus imtimidating any pilot from reporting fatigued or going sick fatigued, because if they fail the test (the limit and requirement for which is not officially published by the GCAA) you're medical is immediately removed and you're fired.

You could of course report you're concerns "confidentially" to the GCAA, who will Imediatley call you're employer who will cordially invite you in for a not so friendly chat.

We are to my mind creating the perfect environment for an accident and or incident but the only option left for the "grown ups" is to keep pushing. Add the general couldn't give a f**ck attitude spreading both sides of the flight deck door and in engineering, it's beyond general pissed offness, it's now just getting plain scary.

Personally I'm tired, can't recall the last time I had a proper nights sleep and my health and personal life are suffering, I feel it in myself, I'm hard work to be around and I'm looking for an out.

[fliion]

Rogewilko - Can you clarify what you are saying about fatigue and CDT. Is that a rumor or confirmed?

Is it if you call SKF, file an ASR or FRMS?

f.

[anson harris]

730 hours (blocks, not factored) in my last 12 months. Left recently.

[Rogerwilko]

Any fatigue report that requires a visit to the Doc, ie at the request of FS, or fleet. Call SKF and you have to submit a fatigue report that is highly likely to result in a request to visit the Doc, the doc is now required to do CDT for a report of fatigue by the GCAA, by ASR less likely. It all depends on what you put on the fatigue report.

[Emma Royds]

777 F/O

Un factored

903 in the past 12 months and 870 in the previous 12 months.

My annual total was up to 923 very recently.

Proof that there are F/Os that have been working just as hard as a number of Captains and have been doing so for a while as well.

[whyworry]

Over 970 Hrs Block A380 around 800 "stick" in 365 days
Feel absolutly stuffed

[natops]

over 900 total block last 12 months..

777 FO

Not funny...

[Yossarian]

I'm guessing the numbers may have changed since my last post. Let's hear the latest numbers.

I'm on 830 stick time consistently. Block hours seem to stay in the early 900s, never more than 930.

Fatbus skipper.

[uba737]

860 stick time, 930 time on aircraft last 12 months! B777

[CaptainChipotle]

Any fatigue report that requires a visit to the Doc, ie at the request of FS, or fleet. Call SKF and you have to submit a fatigue report that is highly likely to result in a request to visit the Doc, the doc is now required to do CDT for a report of fatigue by the GCAA, by ASR less likely. It all depends on what you put on the fatigue report.

I know this post is from a year ago, but since this thread is active again, I feel it's necessary to post current, accurate information.

I've called in fatigued quite a few times... Let's say more than twice, less than 7 times. I have friends that have called multiple times as well. Nobody has been called in the office or second guessed. It's your duty to remove yourself if you're unfit to fly (OMA 7.3). EK also has responsibility to roster you so that you can rest accordingly.

I fly with a lot of colleagues that are scared to call in fatigued. As long as you can explain yourself and have a valid reason, the company WILL support you. If you're too tired to safely operate the aircraft you owe it to yourself, your family, your passengers, and the EK brand name to remove yourself. Plain and simple.

How can you blame the company for rostering you such a grueling schedule if you show up for it and claim to be "fit" for your entire roster?

A lot of guys control their roster by calling in sick, when in fact, they are too tired and just need rest. You can't blame the company if they think there is a "sickness" problem. It's time to call a spade a spade, unless you guys can legitimately and safely fly as much as you claim to be flying. If that's the case, you're better men then I am. I have my personal standards as far as operating and when I can't meet those standards I make the call.

Blue skies and happy flying to you all, whether you agree with me or not. The only way it gets better here is if we change the culture within the pilot group from fear to empowerment.

Oh... Pushing a constant 900+hrs myself... Of course, with factoring I've got plenty to spare.

CC

[uba737]

Have called fatigued twice in the last year and no one has called me or contacted me for any reason!

[A320CaptDav]

Excess flying leads to fatigue which eventually leads to weaker immune system
Keep your life in check!:eek:

[Curry Goat]

990+ for the last 365, 3 fatigue reports in the last year. The word zombie comes to mind!

[mumbo]

28th Feb 2015 to 29th Feb 2016 - 899 hours 46 minutes stick time. 777

[bittersweetheart]

Currently at 750 hours in 365 after leaving in January, at which point rolling hours were at 950. Took over a month to normalise my sleep pattern, and I am starting to feel human again.

[Neptune Spear]

It took almost a month for my life to get back to normal as well after leaving EK.
Do your body and your life a huge favor and leave Emirates.

[Contact Approach]

Wow! You guys must have beast mode installed.

C.A

[jatqual]

Check out the rest requirement reductions prior and post duty. Note the "heart factor" remains unchanged however far less rest is now required. Clearly this will allow more days off (recovery days really), per month with flying levels intensified. Screen shots of changes are possibly good insurance.