EK Pay

[donpizmeov]

Fellas, it would seem that since half the pilot group have been in the company for under 5yrs, we have no corporate memory. I am flying with guys now that believe the 3% increment is counted as a pay raise, and are hoping for 5% increase this year. Don't sell yourself short.

We had our productivity stolen several years ago, so 14 x 600 = 8400 per month lost. We had the increment withheld twice, for me that's close to 3000. So an increase of 11400 per month would only put me back where I should be, and does not make up for lost pay/ provident fund payments.

This is not even taking into account the credit for duties lost in 2003.

So 20% increase just returns our pay to where it would have been if they hadn't stolen from us.

No other group in the company have had their money reduced. Please remember this when deciding on giving up that day off.

[Emma Royds]

Please remember this when deciding on giving up that day off.

There is no decision to make. Don't offer to work on your days off.

I won't answer 708 numbers on my days off.

[paokara]

Organize , form a union
Be the first Union shop company at UAE

Make history in the ME

They can't possible fire all 4000 pilots and park the Frames

Think Big and reward yourselves BiG

Be the example for a fundamental change in the Middle East

[trimotor]

Well said.

I'm not aware of any other group that has been so badly maligned ('lazy pilots') by their own management. I was there. I ain't forgetting it in a hurry.

[Desdihold]

Well said Don,

I fly with many pilots who say they will finally start to get ahead once the get into the left seat at EK.
It is a sad reflection on the industry when an FO in the right seat of a 737 can't provide for his family and a guy in the left seat of a 737 or the right seat of a 777 can only break even.

The majority of our pilots have come from pay for training airlines and are not the union types.
As you said there is no corporate memory amongst the majority of our pilot group.

I am just happy that I'm not a thirty (or 20 something FO ) in EK...... Old age has its rewards.

[Jet II]

No other group in the company have had their money reduced.

Bull**** alert - Flight Crew are nothing special in EK, remember that.

[alwayzinit]

Jet 2, what you say is true, however, at the current rate EK is rapidly becoming
an aircraft parking company rather than an airline.

Without the "lazy pilots" its grounded...............................Many are following STC's and AAR's advise, they don't like and are leaving.

[Calmcavok]

Whilst I have no corporate memory of EK beyond 2 and a bit years, it is the first airline I've worked for where the step appears to be optional. A payrise is a payrise, the step does not form part of that.

[bvcu]

don being a bit economical with the truth i'm afraid, the pilot group is the only part of the company still on increments, stopped for everyone else 20 years ago even though it was in the contract , everyone since doesn't have it in contract. performance related pay has saved them a fortune……..

[donpizmeov]

Bvcu, it's still in the pilot contract. So not being economical at all. Not paying the increment and changing the productivity threshold twice has also saved them a shed load. Much more the changes in threshold than the increment. Have they cut your pay and increased the hours you have to work for the pleasure?
The pilot group had a 0.5% increase last year. An EGIT neighbour received 5%, a HR friend received 4.0%. So the performance pay seems to be out performing for some.

[SOPS]

And how many in the office have to work weekends to make up for the leave they just had? Only the lazy pilots can have 10 days ' leave' and still do 75 hours.

[TIMINGandLUCK]

Not to start a thread drift, but 15 days leave and 64 hours in May with a total of 18 days off for the entire month!

[jack schidt]

Pilots - The only people who seem to be accountable in EK
Pilots - The only people who are "managers" and can get paid 3.5 hours for 9 hours at work.
Pilots - The only people who are so heavily regulated that they can't even take a pee without there being a rule for that!

The list goes on.....

Remember, when the parking brake is off, your 900hr yearly total is ticking down, even though you get paid OFP block which is always less than actual block.

J

[Neptune Spear]

Well said Jack
The pay should be scheduled or actual, whatever is greater but only the legacy airlines have that. Not us bottom feeders.

[bvcu]

cheers don, wasn't aware it was still in your contract, but it is still a pay raise. majority of company employees outside management get a smaller performance raise than the increment so it saves massively. in terms of working time agree its bad but its the same for a large part of the company, the difference being there is no legal maximum duty even for engineers certifying your aircraft, lots of 'compulsory' unpaid overtime , all so certain managers can achieve their bonus targets ! keep discovering !

[donpizmeov]

I see your point BVCU. However the poor sods that have been in the company as pilots the longest get no more increments. No matter how hard/efficient they work. They have received **** all raises for some time now. To add salt to the wound they don't even get priority for leave, rosters etc.
Several years ago our basic salary covered 78hrs. We now have to work 92hrs for the basic. And all Capts and most FOs are doing 92hrs plus. We get no credit (pay) for any ground duty, and there are lots of them. We get no credit for leave, so end up flying a full months roster when having 7 days leave and have days off removed to make it all fit. So we end up in a situation of doing over 100hrs, getting paid the basic for 92hrs, but have days of reduced to 9 or 10 (three times for me out of the past 4 months) all because we have to fly the full months credit, and the rest of the month is filled with free to the company stuff. Not that long ago it would never have been rostered as they wouldn't want to pay all that overtime.
Credit hours do not equal duty hours. For example a JED flight has a duty of 9hrs 30min but only 5hrs 50min credit. A KWI has a duty of 7hrs but credit of only 3hrs 40min.
I understand that all employees are being shafted. But have you taken a pay cut of 18% in the past few years? This is the effective pay cut Pilots have taken, not including the increment.

[Check 'Six']

Spot on Don.

It's probably still under review and cost neutral.

[Saltaire]

Well said Don. The 3% increment is NOT a pay raise!!!! It's a yearly inflationary cost of living adjustment.

[harry the cod]

Saltaire

No it's NOT a yearly inflationary cost of living adjustment. That's what a PAY RISE is for. The increments are an industry wide practice of recognising seniority in a profession where new joiners start at the bottom. LOC's have done away with it but for those airlines still using it, step increases should be paid out every year regardless.

Harry

[Saltaire]

I stand corrected. Quite right. It's still not a pay raise! :O