record landing and take offs: logbook

[funkydreadlocks]

...was never something that I was told to do.

I started my PPL back in 2007 in France and I was never told to write down how many landings and take offs I had made. My logbook doesn't even have a space to write that down (only remarks I guess) Now I'll be going into professional flight training and I had an instructor tell me off for not having written that down.

Should I go back and look at all the aircraft records of every aircraft I flew and then adding them to each line? Should I go ahead and buy a new logbook and transfer all my old flights into that along with the number of take offs and landings?

[ChickenHouse]

Now you hit the jackpot! Yes, go and explore all planes records to get you documentation right (and maybe ask your former trainer why you forgot to write your personal log - it must have been in your training ...).

[funkydreadlocks]

aren't you a ray of sunshine? :=

I didn't forget anything. It just wasn't how we did things in my club. No one else did it. How was I supposed to know if the guys who are teaching me don't tell me to do that? :ugh:

The logbook doesn't even have a column for take offs and landings.

I just want to know what I should do now that I've learnt that professional training and flying requires you to know the totals.

Should I just start recording from now on and just leave it? Should I go ahead and dig in the records for every flight (I can do that easily enough, it's just time consuming)?

I'm asking what is the correct procedure for me to follow.

[PURPLE PITOT]

With the introduction of JAA, and now EASA rules, there is requirement to record to/ldg. This is not for a running total, but to monitor 90 day currency. You don't need to go back for totals, just start recording now, and anything you can remember recently.

To be fair, your instructors should know about this, and as a licence holder, you are also required to keep up to date of regulation changes.

If you are about to start commercial training, it might be worth buying a compliant logbook to use from now on.

[GeorgEGNT]

"I just want to know what I should do now that I've learnt that professional training and flying requires you to know the totals."

I think you've no other option but to go through the tech records. EDIT: Apparently you do. Disregard.

I do wonder why the school didn't make you aware of the requirement though. Perhaps have a word with them to stop others falling into the same trap?

[Feather44]

Hy,

The simplest way would be to count 1 T/O and 1 LDG for each PIC entry (line) on your logbook.

A logbook is personnal, if this column doesn't exists you can creat it.
I knew some guys who were totalizing their pax.... Ihih :cool:

As mentioned above the aim is to justify your 90 days and night time T/O...

Do not buy a new logbook; it will make your work even harder (chasing Capt Names, signatures, stamps etc..

[funkydreadlocks]

This is not for a running total, but to monitor 90 day currency.

That's great! Thank you :) I'll start marking them down in the Remarks section.


o be fair, your instructors should know about this, and as a licence holder, you are also required to keep up to date of regulation changes.

I got the license in 2009 and haven't been current for a couple of years now, since I'm in university and haven't had the chance of finding affordable flying. The instructor who told me off was from a taster flight I had recently when visiting different FTOs to decide where to finish my training.


If you are about to start commercial training, it might be worth buying a compliant logbook to use from now on.

Hmm... That's an interesting option. Should I simply continue recording in the second logbook or try to move across all the previous flight into the new logbook? I wouldn't be able to get everyone's signature since some of the dudes who signed me off are from completely different countries...


I do wonder why the school didn't make you aware of the requirement though. Perhaps have a word with them to stop others falling into the same trap?

Seems to me like these changes might be quite recent from what I'm reading. Remember that I did start flying back in 2007! I'm going back to them in August to do some hour building. So maybe I'll ask them then...

A logbook is personnal, if this column doesn't exists you can creat it.
I knew some guys who were totalizing their pax.... Ihih

That's awesome! Real thug life. I guess you make of a logbook what you can.


Do not buy a new logbook; it will make your work even harder (chasing Capt Names, signatures, stamps etc..

Sounds like the easy option...hmmm...



Cheers guys. :)

[ChickenHouse]

When was JAA / JAR introduced for all, 1999? The UK started 2002 to issue these license, if I recall correctly. So starting 2007 you should have known about it. But, just go start a new logbook and try to reconstruct relevant data with the old.

[funkydreadlocks]

did my flying in France, not the UK. Maybe that's the diff...

[Genghis the Engineer]

Don't worry about it.

I don't record numbers of take-offs and landings, CAA and others have seen my logbooks multiple times, none have ever had an issue with it. The same is true of many other pilots.

IF you don't expect to fly for a bit do some circuits and note it in the remarks column so that you can prove compliance with the 90 day rule. No more than that is essential. If you choose to record take offs and landings, that's fine, but not essential.

[funkydreadlocks]

cheers! :)

I honestly have thought about migrating to another logbook. Mine was printed in French and I'd love for it to be in English, just because it can be a bit of a pain sometimes.

I actually haven't flown in a while now, a couple of years in fact. When I get back to it I will be flying pretty much every day though for about 4 months. I have my night rating, CPL, MEP, IR, MCC, and CFI courses to do.

Should be a blast :D

So excited I can't wait. This will be me when I get back in the plane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcEHjlOxBOc