Hour building Europe

[I-FLA]

Hi all,
I'm really becoming mad in trying to find the best solution for my hour building program. Since few months ago I would have surely chosen USA, but now this solution became not so cheap considering the reduced exchange rate EUR/USD. The Euro lost all it's advantage against USD and considering that for hour building you must also take into account the travel, housing, car rental, food and exc for me it turned impossible.
So I started to look for some good/cheap place in the Europe excluding Italy (where I'm living now) due to Italian high taxes and fuel costs.
I still don't find one good flight school or club so I wonder if there is someone who had recent experience in Europe and could recommend something.

[Whiskey Hotel]

Atlantic flight training academy in Cork, ireland, do your building passages Atlantic Flight Training Academy, Professional Pilot Training (http://www.afta.ie)

Bartolini Air in Poland also offer it in a Tecnam, Bartolini Air EASA Flight Training Organisation - Fly in Poland (http://www.flyinpoland.com)

[Transsonic2000]

As already mentioned above, I'd be looking towards Poland, since they don't have the Euro yet, still using the Polish Zloty. Besides Bartolini Air, which has a very good reputation, I'd also have a look at Samrtaero.pl/en. Perhaps an alternative, ever considered becoming a member at a (local) flying club, charter rates for club members are usually quite affordable.

[I-FLA]

Further to the well known schools like Bartolini air in Poland etc. I thought also about Malta. Prices are similar to the other schools and weather is better than in the northern Europe.
What do you think about it? Anyone knows something about flying in Malta?
The only problem I find is that the airport is also for commercial flights but I don't know the traffic flow.

[yxcvmnb]

If you are in Italy, Croatia is pretty close by, if you want to see if the rates fit you (100€ for the blocks of DA20). Accommodation is cheap.

Pan Aero (http://pan.aero/#!/rent-a-plane)

[RunBoyRun]

However be aware that if you fly something like the DA20, which has a MTOW equal or less than 750 KG you are actually logging time on a VLA and not a fully recognised GA plane... If that's important for you of course..

[I-FLA]

I'm a little bit confused about this. Which cs should I have to choose to be sure that hours made on the aircraft are valid for cpl ir etc.?

[To2]

DA20 has a MTOW Off 800 kgs, there is no problem with logging normal time on it

[yxcvmnb]

Don't worry, the DA-20 is perfectly fine for logging hours, it's a SEP class airplane. In fact you cannot log any other time on it but SEP....

A large large number of schools use them for flight training.

[janrein]

Question for an acquaintance who wants to build night time in Europe.

Is the DA-20 certified/equiped for N-VFR? And for IFR? (latter probably not)

N-VFR allowed in Croatian airspace?

Other types / countries, with attactive prices like those mentioned for Croatia?

[ChickenHouse]

Although the DA20 can be equipped with full avionics suites the plastic frame can not be certified for IFR, see i.e. here (http://www.greatlakesdiamond.com/why-is-the-da20-not-ifr-certified-and-will-it-ever-be/). It will do nicely for VFR and NVFR, but that is it.

[I-FLA]

what about logging on a Tecnam P2002JF? it's a CS-VLA does it means that hours made on it aren't valuable for CPL IR and MEP?

[yxcvmnb]

CS-VLA is just another certification category like CS-23 or CS-25 and qualifies for a standard Certificate of Airworthiness, meaning that you can log your SEP hours on them no problem at all.

[I-FLA]

Thank you yxcvmnb (http://www.pprune.org/members/367372-yxcvmnb) for your info.
After some evaluations I'm arrived to choose between 2 schools that are Flying Academy in Czech Rep. and Bartolini air for costs. However the one big concern is the weather in the eastern Europe so is necessary to choose also the best period to go there and fly!
Really difficult to find the best solution

[Scoobster]

Don't know if anyone is interested but my recent investigations with Bartolini Air has resulted in the following information for hours building.

Here is the package which they mentioned:

* 75 hours Package
* Tecnam P2002 - G500 Glass Cockpit (5 in the fleet in total)
* €116 Euro's per hour.. which equates to about £86 per hour.
* 75 hours = €8700/£6473.

Additional:

Before letting you loose on a Tecnam you have to do:

* 2 hour introduction lecture - €200 Euros
* 3 hours aircraft familiarisation - €148 per hour = €444/£330.

€200 euros for a lecture seems a bit much to me for groundschool.. No??

All in €9344 or £6952 exclusive of flights and accomodation.

Opinions?

[ericsson16]

What about Cavok in Hungary 80Euros/Hr + 20Euros/Hr for some advise on flying the Aero AT-3.

[Scoobster]

That is certainly competitive with the GBP rate.

Don't know what the weather is like in Hungary though but at this time of the year it should start easing up...

Is it CAP 804 to reference whether the Aero AT3 is suitable for hours building?

[PBY]

EASA Flight school Flying Academy (http://www.flyingacademy.com/index.php?page=flight-school)

[PBY]

Actual prices:

Flight Training Fleet (http://www.flyingacademy.com/index.php?page=fleet#c152)

[DeltaViktor]

Flying Academy in CZ has been around for a while, I did mine there around 2009-2010 and was overall happy with it, Good availability on airplanes and Nice places to fly and visit from Cz, specially from Brno.

[172510]

Many aeroclubs in France, cheap prices, you an get a block of hours for even cheaper if you don't fly during the peak season. Many airfields to train your joining skills, cheap (sometimes no) landing fees.
Add 30 hours in TMG and it's even cheaper.
The only issue is the language. Websites are French only (I do not know of any aeroclub in France with an English version of the website).
In touristic areas you can get very cheap accommodation out of the peak season.

Are non Easa aeroplanes (mostly Jodel in France) allowed for hour building? It seems that they are now, but I don't know for sure whether it's another thing that is going to last or not. That's the only issue I could see, as Jodels are very pleasant an cheap to fly.

[Q1W2E3R4]

Hi,
You can get a good deal in Poland and fly for around £70 per hour wet if you rent a aircraft from a private owner, accommodation is cheap, Currently £1 costs 5.50 Zloty which is very very good.

All the best.
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