Feb EK overtime

[fliion]

Anyone else getting paid overtime in Feb assuming its 83hr threshold (?)
Or is it 86?

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[Mach_Krit]

85 hours...plus plus:ugh:

[nakbin330]

28 x 3 - 1 = 83.

[BigGeordie]

Threshold is 83 hours. I've got 10 hours overtime. Good job we aren't short of crew then.

[SOPS]

10 hours...and I thought overtime was banned!!

[145qrh]

What's the rate nowadays .. Tried to find it ???

[harry the cod]

600/hr left seat. Nowhere near enough in my opinion, especially when it's forced upon you.

Harry

[The Turtle]

Completely agree with HC on this one.... Should be double that

[Dropp the Pilot]

If you are foolish enough to do overtime you are offering your services to the company at quite a large discount. You have just received a payslip. Take your gross payable and divide by 83. That is what the company pays you per hour. In my case its a little over 800 per hour so I should do 83 for 800 and then offer to do more for 600?

RRRight.....

[White Knight]

I agree Dropp... Seems like most of us have this foisted upon us! More telling though is that all of my flights, except my first flight of next month, are very undercrewed CC wise! I imagine that the CC on reserve will be busy!

[harry the cod]

Dropp

Slightly confused with your reasoning. Why divide by 83? Does your 'hourly' rate become less valuable when you work a 31 day month.

We're contracted for 900 hours per year. Take your basic pay and multiply by 12, then divide by 900. Mine comes in at around the 590dhs per hour mark so the 600 productivity pay is my normal rate anyway! And it's nothing to do with being foolish. In case you hadn't realised, we don't have a choice, unless you personally ring up JA towards the end of each month and tell him you'll not be doing that last flight to keep you under the threshold?

If you do, let me know how you get on. I'd be interested to hear what his response is!

Harry

[donpizmeov]

I would think you need to add the per hour flying rate to your number Harry. So even you are working at a discounted per hour rate when forced into productivity.

[Praise Jebus]

It's Undertime not Overtime...

[Spoogie]

Rates can be found in the Pay and allowances manual as per OM-A 20.9.3.1

Spoogz

[harry the cod]

Don

You're right as I forgot we don't get the hourly rate once productivity is reached. As you say, I'm actually working at a discount to the Company of around 50dhs an hour compared to normal. It really is a joke.

And I'm not laughing..........

Harry

[Schnowzer]

Yes you will!

[Payscale]

Our own SFI make the same if you include the perks such as housing, schooling, medical and dental...

[fliion]

Virtually impossible to swap anymore on the T7...further erosion.

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[GoreTex]

I am in overtime every month and not legal to swap, I just call sick for a flight and then I am legal again, do that every month

[emratty]

And that is the reason they are bringing in if you have a sick day you can't do a swap for the month.

[flyaway777]

And that is the reason they are bringing in if you have a sick day you can't do a swap for the month.

Well if this is true then their desperate measures are becoming even more desperate and extreme. It's borderline vindictive at this stage. As usual electing to punish everyone for the actions of a few.

[Pixy]

Harry
If I might be so bold as to correct your methodology of calculating your hourly rate. My contract does not specify 900 hrs. That is an assumption based on regulated yearly max. Probably soon to change!

To my mind it is thus:
12 x Salary + 12 x Provident Fund Contribution. You could add in education and accommodation etc if you were working out your cost to company but probably not in this context.

This should be divided by hours expected before overtime is paid. That would be 1083 (12 months working to productivity the threshold) but then factored by 323/365. We are contracted 42 days leave. These are our days not the company’s, a fact which they conveniently forget when they cram hours into any month that contains leave. Simple theft IMHO.

Thus it is 958 hours of productivity that could be expected. These can be made up how the company chooses: flying, augmenting, sim supporting, training etc.

Hence on a Captains salary of 48K (an approximate median) the rate is 690 per hour.

Overtime is cheap for the company given the true cost of the pilot is much higher if you factor in accommodation, education, medical, uniform, HR overhead etc. The true cost of a captain per hour is close to AED 1000.

In most companies overtime is at a greater rate than the normal hourly rate as an acknowledgement for additional effort and the increased stresses in all aspects of life when one is called to work beyond that which was envisaged.

I see overtime as a punishment where I am forced, without choice, to work for less than my agreed worth. For a company that seeks to be a global brand leader, I find this practice deceptive, misleading and exploitative. Hardly the stuff of greatness and ultimately why the branding will fail. History shows this.

As for the emails of how great we are doing and how we should all be proud, excited and grateful, I find them condescending and demeaning. I wish they would stop.

I doubt the slaves building the pyramids were excited about the wonder they were creating. They probably just wanted more food and less beatings…..

[SOPS]

And as I have said before, and will say again,

This airline should be the greatest airline job in the world. I just don't get why they don't want it that way.

[InnocentBystander]

This airline should be the greatest airline job in the world. I just don't get why they don't want it that way.

Too expensive.

[Al Murdoch]

My old airline used to run a deliberate policy of keeping people down so that when there was trouble at t'mill, they could give things back to the pilots, but at a longterm cost of zero to themselves.
"Oh did you see they're going to give everyone the bases they want? They're having to give us what we want now". Wrong, they just deprived you of what you should have had in the first place.
Stockholm Syndrome at it's finest.

[donpizmeov]

You certainly have had a distinguished career then AL.

[Nikita81]

This airline should be the greatest airline job in the world. I just don't get why they don't want it that way.

Milk the cow and leave her to die.






*don't pay attention on me. I am here just to annoy management trolls.

[Al Murdoch]

You certainly have had a distinguished career then AL.

I hardly think management practices are much of a reflection on me, whichever way look at it. Anyway, all worth it, I have enjoyed all my jobs in one way or another. However, as for EK, it's now behind me. I shall watch with interest and wish you all the best of luck in finding contentment.