a330 CYYT

[MarkJJ]

http://t.co/Y2DmBiwFBb

[54Phan]

Did this happen this morning? It looks like a set of airstairs ran into it.

[Rhino power]

Stumbled across this ( CADORS: Report (http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/cadors-screaq/rd.aspx?occdtefrom%3d2014-12-01%26occdteto%3d2014-12-27%26srchfldcd%3d3%26txt%3da330%26srchtype%3d2%26rt%3dWS%26h ypl%3dy%26cnum%3d2014A1213) ) on another forum...

-RP

[SVK]

This Air Tanker PFI-thingummy could work out for the MOD after all.

"Please give us another KC-30 as per the contract because we've buggered up another one"

[SARBlade]

There's not a lot of room on the GA ramp at CYYT (St. john's), nevertheless, this is where other RAF A330's have been parked in the past so this is where this one was going to be parked! This incident took place in front of Hangar 2, the A330 was being maneuvered under its own power with 5 ground crew stationed around the various points including under each wing. As it was being turned 180 degrees by the pilot (it has been normal for the aircraft to put its starboard wing over the office attached to Hangar 2), the leading edge of the starboard wing struck the corner of the hangar about 15' inboard. The damage to the hangar was minimal but the aircraft sustained a large gash approx 8" wide and 6-8" into the edge.

Now the wing walker underneath was attempting to yell and wave at the tow chief, but due to engine noise and the low sun in the horizon, the tow chief did not hear nor see the member's gestures.

The aircraft was moved by tug to a position in front of hangar 1. Not sure the disposition of the A330, but was still there when I left on Christmas Eve. Unfortunate incident for the RAF indeed. Perhaps positioning the aircraft over near the de-icing bay may be more appropriate. As for the CHC helicopters inside hangar 2, no upset to business there, the hangar doors remain functional. mind you a little breezy near the top!

[smujsmith]

Looks like Trapper Johns could be busy then :eek:

Smudge:ok:

[Rhino power]

Good job a new one (ZZ340) arrived at MAN this morning for paint, looks like it might be needed sooner rather than later! :}

-RP

[cessnapete]

Don't think that new one available to RAF, isn't it the one to be leased out by Airtanker for civvy airline work. To be painted in airline colours?

[Rhino power]

isn't it the one to be leased out by Airtanker for civvy airline work. To be painted in airline colours?

Not unless they need one equipped with wing mounted HDU's...

-RP

[cessnapete]

Ah must be the next delivery!

[BEagle]

To read the words 'A330' and 'GA ramp' in the same sentence rather surprises me. Was the main apron not available? Would an airline have parked an A330 in such a location?

This is the GA ramp:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/StJ_I_zps303f559c.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/nw969/media/StJ_I_zps303f559c.jpg.html)

Not a lot of room for something with a 60m wingspan, some 10m greater than that of a TriStar. No matter how many groundcrew are positioned to assist, without effective communication between them and the flight deck, they cannot be of much help.

An old 101 Sqn boss always warned us "There is no such thing as a taxying incident" - I hope that views are a little less extreme nowadays.

The damage is clearly going to take rather more than some speedtape to rectify - and isn't going to be cheap to repair. Is there a hangar big enough for an A330 at St. John's? With the coming of the Canadian winter, working on the aircraft is going to be extremely difficult.

If the aircraft was later 'moved by tug', then I can only wonder why it wasn't parked by tug in the first place.

[Willard Whyte]

If the aircraft was later 'moved by tug', then I can only wonder why it wasn't parked by tug in the first place.

Probably would've cost an extra C$50 for a tug. Or is that the downtown price?

[cobalt42]

Not unless they need one equipped with wing mounted HDU's...

I'd like to see you put HDU's on a wing, RP. :ok:

...'specially when even the 3-pointers don't have a 'HDU'.

[Axel-Flo]

I think if you would accept the wider audience and not be so......picky? You could call any of them HDU...As in it describing any unit containing, among other generic tetchy bits, a hose and drum. FRU or Pod are likewise as non specific if you wish to include type, make or mark even in an attempt to justify ones "superior" knowledge...... I believe the poster was merely sugestiing it was AAR equipped.......and that ATrS aircraft are fitted for but not with....

Despite which it was only a side line to the OP.

[vascodegama]

The coming of the Canadian Winter BEags-I thought it started in Sep and went through to Aug!

[BEagle]

That's abooot right, Vasco, eh?

[54Phan]

Actually it's been pretty mild this year. I've only had to snowshoe to work twice.:E Thanks to all concerned for the clarification on the incident, by the way.

[P6 Driver]

Who is likely to be the main person explaining the collision - aircraft captain or the main external marshaller?

[BEagle]

The Aircraft Commander - that's where the buck stops.

[tubby linton]

Has the extent of the damage to the aircraft been ascertained yet? I have been to CYYT in a wide body Airbus and we never ventured over to the GA side with it.

[Rhino power]

ZZ330 flew out to St.John's on Monday (29th), I presume with a team to inspect the damage? Further to this, Gareth Jennings (Aviation Desk Editor at IHS Jane's) posted the following on his twatter account... 'MoD to fly damaged AirbusDS Voyager back to UK this week for repair and return to service...'

-RP

All the above info from the FighterControl forums.

[ShotOne]

Helpful post from sarblade, although intriguing and possibly revealing use of the term "tow chief" which tends to imply they were more used to performing such manoeuvres with a tug. In that case he would usually be positioned right by the tug driver and be very immediately in control of the aircraft movement -which clearly wasnt the case at the crucial moment. It doesn't affect the answer, of course, to the q'n of who carries the can; we're repeatedly told flying is a team operation...but that's only until something goes wrong!

[Onceapilot]

ZZ331 listed as departed CYYT for EGVN 0249Z 03 Jan 2015.

OAP

[Clunk60]

Shot One, or there's a single medal awarded for a crew effort!

[sharpend]

Oh dear. Assuming it was the fault of the operating pilot, if it had happened to a VC10 the Captain would have been crucified. I feel sorry for this Captain as Voyagers are more expensive.

But these incidents happened in the past and will continue to happen whilst the MOD use GA ramps to save money. We had a number of incident at Dulles because the RAF would not pay for the main terminal. Far easier to blame the crew!