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Melchett01
1st Dec 2014, 17:37
(Reuters) - Taliban militants have launched an offensive against Afghan forces at Camp Bastion, the huge base in southern Helmand province vacated by the British military a month ago, officials said.

"Taliban attacked under the cover of darkness during the night, but our security forces fought against them well and prevented any damage to the camp," General Ghulam Farooq Parwani, deputy commander of Maiwand 215 military corps said on Friday.

Camp Bastion was handed over to the Afghan military as part of the coalition's withdrawal of most foreign troops by the end of 2014.

General Parwani said five of his men had been killed, along with 20 Taliban fighters, and the battle was continuing. The figures could not be verified.

http://http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/28/uk-afghanistan-attacks-idUKKCN0JC23K20141128

I remember discussing the likely trajectory of Afghanistan with a historian / operational analyst in my last post, and at the time the rather flippant comment doing the rounds went along the lines of 'I don't know whether to give them 6 days, 6 weeks or 6 months before the Taliban take over'. Is this a portent of things to come I wonder? We're back in Iraq after only a few years away, what are the odds of us being back in Afghanistan in the same sort of time frame I wonder?

Just once I'd like to be not cynical about something, but the way in which this achieved almost no press coverage seems a bit odd. Or would it just be too much too close to an election for someone to stick their head above the parapet and give an honest reflection of the last 13 years in Afghanistan?

Maybe the Taliban were right after all - we had all the watches, they have all the time.

MPN11
1st Dec 2014, 18:05
My only surprise factor is "Gosh, that was quick". But then probing the defences, especially with those happy to die in the process, makes military sense. Does it not?

On the evidence available, this seems to be a relatively minor incursion attempt. Does anyone expect a full-frontal assault by thousands of Taliban on little motorcycles? Of course not ... It will be the "nibbled to death by ducks" process, accompanied by more suicide and car bombs.
And the Taliban will, IMO, inevitably win, thus negating all the expense, suffering and death of the last 13 years.

I cannot believe that News such as this would be suppressed by the Media for political purposes ... Possibly ;)

Heathrow Harry
2nd Dec 2014, 12:30
read Wm Dalyrmples "Return of a King" about the First Afghan War

Its been a pretty good guide to recent happenings in that God forsaken country - don't see any reason why it shouldn't be right about the future

basically the place falls into the usual tribal divisions with a notional "King" in Kabul- his influence depends on how many sovereigns or $ he can distribute to the tribal groups

They work off steam on each other in remembrance of past fights and killings and accept help from outside if it's available but won't accept any strings attached.

Depressing really.................

Lordflasheart
7th Dec 2014, 11:54
UK TV Channel 4 - 8pm Sunday 7th Dec "Dismantling Camp Bastion"

According to today's Sunday Times this should be an interesting watch, whatever side you might be on. ................. LFH

Romeo Oscar Golf
7th Dec 2014, 20:06
Yes it was interesting. Shows how highly we are revered by the local militia!

NutLoose
7th Dec 2014, 21:28
In a way you can see the Afghan point of view, hand over a wacking great base, but remove a lot of the infrastructure to defend it, however they would have struggled to maintain it if it had been left.
The prayer mat as a rug went down well.. Shame they couldn't have offloaded his bagpipes.
The Afghan getting the key looked like he was thinking, what's this crap?

So how did the last chinooks get home?

TheWizard
7th Dec 2014, 21:59
Depends where you think "home" is??

NutLoose
8th Dec 2014, 00:22
I meaning they normally strip them and fly them out, as they were getting into one at the end that obviously hadn't happened.

gr4techie
8th Dec 2014, 00:53
In a way you can see the Afghan point of view, hand over a wacking great base, but remove a lot of the infrastructure to defend it, however they would have struggled to maintain it if it had been left.

I did wonder why they were smashing up iso-containers and basic Landrovers? I can't see a reason why they could not be left / sold. It looked like a "scorched earth" policy.

I wonder who profited from the £37 billion cost ?

sitigeltfel
8th Dec 2014, 04:26
UK TV Channel 4 - 8pm Sunday 7th Dec "Dismantling Camp Bastion"

I saw the tail end of it last night. One scene showed an Afghan sentry briefing his boss about drills if they spot the enemy.

He said something along the lines of, "Well sir, we don't have radios, so we wave to the other watch tower!"

Uncle Ginsters
8th Dec 2014, 07:07
NutLoose,

It may have been B-Day, but wasn't the end of HERRICK (just yet). Perhaps they flew to another relatively close MOB?

SHornet
8th Dec 2014, 07:59
I meaning they normally strip them and fly them out, as they were getting into one at the end that obviously hadn't happened.

I presume they (with an armed Apache escort) flew to Kandahar, from there they would have been dismantled and repatriated back to the UK in a C-17 or a similar aircraft.

NutLoose
8th Dec 2014, 11:45
Ahh.. forgot about that place, thanks.

MightyGem
8th Dec 2014, 19:59
Apache escort
Ah yes, Apaches. All the Apaches he was referring to flying top cover were US Marine Cobras. :ugh:

Sandy Parts
9th Dec 2014, 09:23
re Apaches - well I distinctly remember the Army hand-over boss saying he had a lego one! Good to see someone enjoying their job in the military still. Also good to see my ex-IOT Flt Cdr grabbing TV time as the 'last man' to leave the base (except the cameraman who would have got on the helo after him of course :) )

Wyler
9th Dec 2014, 09:30
Regarding the last man.

A decent CO would have chosen his youngest SAC to enjoy the limelight.

Basil
9th Dec 2014, 09:48
They work off steam on each other in remembrance of past fights and killings
Yup! Recollect, during the reign of Zia, discussing this and that with an Islamabad shopkeeper. Nodding northward he opined "Those people don't give a damn about Zia or anyone else!"
I looked around for the hidden microphone :uhoh:

PPRuNeUser0211
9th Dec 2014, 10:51
Sandy, Wyler, something tells me that a chinook crewman may well have earnt that honour, albeit not in the eyes of the worlds media!