429 sales in Europe

[heli1]

Moving on from the R44 and Iran argument on its own thread,how many believe Turkey is in Europe( "Bell claims 50 429s sold in Europe " with figures including Turkey,Russia and Ukraine).
For any Texans reading this ,Turkey is a country ,not the big bird on your Thanksgiving dinner table!

[handysnaks]

I wouldn't get too smug, as the Bosporus has often been regarded as a gateway between Europe and Asia, I think modern Turkey has always had a bit of European territory within its boundaries!

[Bravo73]

how many believe Turkey is in Europe

UEFA certainly do. Turkey, and Turkish clubs, have been involved in European football competitions since the 1960s.

The Eurovision organisers are even more relaxed with their geography - Israel make it into that 'competition'!

[helihub]

The numbers from my research/article to make up Bell's 50 in their notional definition of Europe are as follows

22 Turkey
11 Russia
5 UK
4 Ukraine
2 Slovakia
2 Switzerland
1 Cyprus
1 France
1 Romania
1 Sweden
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50 total
==

[PhlyingGuy]

From what I understand, many of the other OEMs also include Turkey and Russia in their "Europe" region vs. Middle East/CIS/Asia due to their buying patterns/behavior. Supposedly many of them break out China from their Asia region for the same reason.

Considering Turkey's push to join the EU.... Not considering them as part of Europe is a very "Western Europe" view of the country.

[griffothefog]

I think you will find the Republic of Cyprus would reject that last comment :eek:

[Ian Corrigible]

Wouldn't say this is unique to our industry. I think most people (outside of Cyprus and Greece) consider Turkey to be part of Europe.

Michael Palin offered an interesting perspective on Turkey's status as a gateway to Asia in his New Europe (http://palinstravels.co.uk/static-206) travelogue a few years back.

Russia is trickier: some group it into Europe, others treat it separately as part of the CIS.

I/C

[evil7]

If you consider the geographical boundaries of Europe, you will find that the eastern "border" is the Ural which is deep into Russia!!;)

[Um... lifting...]

These two photos are taken about 1 km apart, some 6 degrees East of the easternmost point of Turkey. The cultural boundaries, the political boundaries, and the geographic boundaries don't always neatly coincide.

http://www.kazakhstan.orexca.com/img/kazakhstan/cities/atyrau2-2.jpg

http://ingvarr.net.ru/_ph/140/2/890890733.jpg?1417221756

[heli1]

So now the question is ....how many of the 22 429s in Turkey were sold into the European part and how many into the Asian part....and ditto for the Russian sales!?

[PhlyingGuy]

So now the question is ....how many of the 22 429s in Turkey were sold into the European part and how many into the Asian part....and ditto for the Russian sales!?

I think what everyone is trying to tell you nicely is that Bell is OK with their statement. Looks like at least some of them were completed and delivered in "Europe" Bell delivers two HEMS Bell 429s from Prague facility - Corporate Jet Investor (http://corporatejetinvestor.com/articles/bell-delivers-two-hems-bell-429s-prague-facility/)

[Spunk]

... and Bell has a new sales representative in Germany


Atlas Air Service (http://www.atlas-air-service.com/en/news-article/?cHash=2190320bfbfca666447f7d4d39b571d0)

[heli1]

Understood Phlying Guy. So if Bell are right then can we assume that Turkey is meeting the European Aviation Safety Agency weight limit requirements?
If not then the argument surely fails.Bell can't have it both ways!

[vfr440]

What happened to Egle Air then? Thought they were the IR for Germany, so did it change when I wasn't looking? (Didn't make HAI last year sadly, but WILL be there in 2015) - VFR

[Bravo73]

So if Bell are right then can we assume that Turkey is meeting the European Aviation Safety Agency weight limit requirements?


Why would you assume that?

https://www.easa.europa.eu/the-agency/member-states

:confused:

[tottigol]

While Turkey is in reception of some of EASA Part, as for example the Licensing (PART.FCL), it is not a Member State.

So Bell can sell them their self certified increased gross weight, just like to any other third world of aviation country.

[Spunk]

What happened to Egle Air then?

From what I have heard Mr. Egle had a stroke recovering only slowly. Sales numbers have slowed down over the past years so I guess it was about time for Bell to move on.

[heli1]

Bravo 73......like I was being sarcastic!.......all the way through this thread. Anyway as Thanksgiving is over now I guess the Turkey is finished...so end of thread.

[tu154]

Um lifting, I walked over that bridge many times. :ok:

[Um... lifting...]

Me as well. Did you have trouble making the parking fees on this thing?

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/5/9/1548957.jpg

[tu154]

Not quite, in a former life I did travel quite a lot down the back in one. :ok:

[SansAnhedral]

So Bell can sell them their self certified increased gross weight, just like to any other third world of aviation country.

Oh so here we go again.

Just so we are clear, you consider Canada and Australia to be "third world of aviation" countries. :rolleyes:

[tottigol]

Canada builds the 429.
Australia..:rolleyes:

[Spunk]

Australia...

... mainly operates R44 (as I just read on a very famous pilots rumours network) :E:E:E

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