YMMB Without A Current Asic

[Sunfish]

Through my own stupidity I let my ASIC expire and then discovered I needed to fly somewhere. I thought I understood that it was possible to fly into, and out of, YMMB without an ASIC through a convoluted system of escorts and visitors permits.

Furthermore CASA specifically stated that "only the RPT" part of the aerodrome is security controlled. This is bull****.

I went through all the hoops only to be told "you can't leave without an ASIC".

Be warned, leave the place alone.

[peterc005]

I've never been asked to show my ASIC at YMMB. Most of the time I just leave in the plane anyway.

Years ago the LAMEs mentioned that Federal Police (?) would do the rounds checking ASICs, but I hadn't heard of this recently.

I think the reality is that, unless you paint an Islamic State flag on the side of your plane, you could pop in and out of Moorabbin without a current ASIC and noone would know or care.

[Squawk7700]

What is your mission in life Sunfish? To shut down the airport that you and many others enjoy flying from?

Peter - Sunny thinks more in the theory and hypothetical space than you, I and most others. He feels that if you are legally required to carry an ASIC then he must and if he doesn't have one because he forgot to renew it, then it must be the regulators fault for implementing such a stupid system where you need one in the first place.

convoluted system of escorts

You mean being accompanied by anyone at all that has an ASIC card... :ugh:

[BlatantLiar]

I sent off my renewal 2 weeks before the ASIC was due to expire, took them 4 weeks to send me a fresh one. I just walked around with the expired one for a while. What was I suppose to do?

Also I carry mine in my pocket with the prepared excuse of 'the clip broke earlier today'. I'm done with the stupid belt clip/lanyard snag point.

I've never been ASIC 'ramped' before. Kinda looking forward to the day it happens, just to see what makes the useless pigs tick.

[peterc005]

My recollection is that you don't need to carry a current ASIC if there is an application for an ASIC in progress.

ASICs are an unnecessary expense and a pain in the butt. I can't see why they don't give them a five or even ten year expiry to reduce the costs of having to renew them. I can't imagine many pilots have an ASIC for two years without incident and then suddenly have an epiphany to become a religious extremist and terrorist.

[OK4Wire]

I have flown in and out of SYD, MEL, ADL, CNS and PER for about 20 years now with no ASIC.

Never been asked about not having one, either.

[Andy_RR]

Sunny, the mistake was to try to jump through all the hoops. In future, print yourself out a boarding card for an unscheduled private flight and wave that at them instead.

[onehitwonder]

Mate of mine got done by the Feds, arrested and held for 6 hours as they checked all his credentials. Walked away with a $800 odd dollar fine for not displaying/having it on him

[Squawk7700]

OK4Wire...... And my mate that flies for United doesn't have one either ;)

[uncle8]

According to this, you can get away without one at YMMB.
Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Home (http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD:1443870365:pc=PC_90107)

[thorn bird]

Don't need them in the US or NZ, go fly there.


Much cheaper, much easier, much safer and your not treated like a criminal.

[peterc005]

uncle8 - Bingo.

[gerry111]

Uncle8 wrote:


"According to this, you can get away without one at YMMB."


Then supplied a link to CAsA's home page.


Not very helpful.. May you please supply a more direct link to your information.

[CaptainMidnight]

CASA's website doesn't lend itself to posting urls sometimes.

Try navigating yourself:

From their homepage, go > Operations > Individuals > ASICs & AVIDs > then under Related links select "Security controlled aerodromes"

[gerry111]

Much appreciated, Captain Midnight. Thankyou.

[Squawk7700]

Interestingly the link worked for me on my iPhone.

[gerry111]

But not on my Windows 8.1 PC, Squawk7700!


Uncle8 is indeed correct. I wonder how many GA pilots using YMMB and YMEN are aware of this?

[Draggertail]

But then there is this from the Moorabbin Airport web page.


Identification | Moorabbin Airport (http://www.moorabbinairport.com.au/aviation/safety-and-security/identification)




ASIC Requirements at Moorabbin Airport


"It is a mandatory requirement to wear an ASIC pass at all times in all airside areas of Moorabbin Airport."

[Creampuff]

Note that some aviation sins cannot fairly be visited on CASA.

The Office of Transport Security in what is now the Department of Infrastructure and Transport created the ASIC monster. The lessees of Moorabbin seem to be among the many airport operators who prefer to discourage aviation.

[majorca]

Come on you guys.....just get with it. The world is a very different place than what is it was years ago. Security is important even though it is a pain in the arse. Trying to buck the system might seem smart but is it the right way to go?

[gerry111]

I've just checked Essendon Airport's website. Same ASIC rules airside there too.

[KittyKatKaper]

Yes majorca, lets all just live in a seemingly never-ending state of fear, under rules that have f-all practical benefit and which are simply 'we are doing something' knee-jerk reactions to very low probability events.
Security is important, but make it meaningful and at places that actually warrant it.

An ASIC is out of date the day it is issued, because it only means that one has not become of concern to ASIO/AFP/et all prior to that date.
It is not a guarantee of future good behavior hence the effing 2-year validity duration.

A society based on fear can only function in the short-term., it will not prosper.

[Squawk7700]

Same old story, you still need an AVID, they both cost money and don't last long and you still forget to renew both of them.

[djpil]

Moorabbin had an exemption for many years but, despite the efforts of airport management, they lost it a few years ago (when I got my first ASIC) so ASICs required everywhere airside. I have seen AFP checking ASICs there.

[jas24zzk]

IIRC, the 'Blue Line' RPT area at YMMB was deleted, and the whole airport declared "Security Controlled"

In a nutshell you need an ASIC, and the CASA website is out of date/incorrect once again...


Keep in mind CASA are still talking about a Student Pilot licence, and all the other licences on the site. Appears they were as ready for P61 as the rest of the industry

[glenb]

Potentially the issuing of so many ASICs actually leads to an increased security risk. I would suggest that 10 percent of ASICs never get returned. There would be many of these UNEXPIRED cards that have returned to various destinations within Australia and importantly, around the world. I have written on two occasions to seek a response from the relevant body on the statistics. On both occasions the response to my query has been sidestepped. Of course they won't respond, the results would be too embarrassing. Prior to the requirement for us ALL to have an ASIC, I suggest there was not one, unexpired ASIC overseas. Great system. Costs us millions, requires more Government Departments and opens up more issues than it resolves. I would like to see someone from the Government stand up and publicly state that there are "less than 100 unexpired unaccounted for ASICs, and that of those unexpired unaccounted for ASICs none of them are outside of Australia." Yeah Right!!!

[gerry111]

ASICs are a bit like the locks on your home, front and back doors. Those locks make you feel safe when you go to bed or leave home.


But they are completely useless to protect you from the bad guys or gals who may want to really harm you.

[adsyj]

Sunfish

Who stopped you from leaving?