VERY Short Approach

[Kregster]

Short Approach at KSNA.. Please don't try this without proper training. Enjoy the video.


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Short Approach KSNA - YouTube (http://youtu.be/NBoViG9OxrY)

[Piper.Classique]

Tug pilots do it with a rope.......in a taildragger

[Shaggy Sheep Driver]

Nothing there any competent experienced PPL couldn't do. Safer than those long, low dragged-in approaches one sees, off a bomber circuit. And much more appreciated by those behind you in the circuit, or paying the flying bills while waiting on the ground for their next lift / glider tow!

Oh, and it's more fun, too!

[piperboy84]

This guy may have that one beat and with no option of resorting to power.


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[what next]

Why is he taking away this landing from his student? Better to make the approach not-so-short but let the guy fly who pays for it. And why is he fiddling and twisting around with his throttle all the time? That drives me mad just by looking.

[Crash one]

Pretty normal I would think apart from the fiddling, perhaps the left seat guy was a trial lesson thing otherwise I'd be pissed off, the dead stick job was pretty neat though.

[9 lives]

perhaps the left seat guy was a trial lesson thing

Oooo, if that were a trial lesson, I'd be having a talk with the instructor! We don't want to be scaring away the students! (I was "told" a few times early in my flying career!)

[Flyingmac]

I see lots of similar approaches at my home base. No2 and sometimes No3 will lose patience, peel off and land while No1 trundles on with his Bomber circuit to a two mile final.

[rateone]

So why did he land on the numbers and then trundle for miles to the far end of the runway to the taxiway? Far better airmanship to have landed deeper into the runway to allow for a much shorter taxi to the turn off.

[dublinpilot]

So why did he land on the numbers and then trundle for miles to the far end of the runway to the taxiway? Far better airmanship to have landed deeper into the runway to allow for a much shorter taxi to the turn off.

I don't think he did. I think he was floating for about 18 seconds before the touchdown happened. At least that's how it looks to me.

[Capot]

I was taught in the '60's to do curved approaches like that, in Austers, but with a hefty side-slip, full flap and no power, roll out at 20', and thus a much steeper descent. You had to hit the touchdown point accurately, or go on practising until you could do that very time.

My instructor believed in teaching students to fly, really fly, not just to pass the PPL GFT. One result was that forced landings for people he taught were no big deal.

[Crash one]

What is it that he is twiddling? Shirley the throttle is just a push pull?

[9 lives]

Shirley the throttle is just a push pull?

Oh... where I could go with that!.....

[Capot]

I thought it must be the friction system, though why he keeps on doing it beats me. I have this tactile memory of a push/pull throttle, maybe a Cessna model, with a friction control like that; I think you turned it clockwise to lock the thing in place, and vv.

[Shaggy Sheep Driver]

I used to fly a C205 (yes, 205) that had a vernier throttle. Prefer a proper lever myself. Plungers are for 1950s car chokes.

[Dusty_B]

Didn't look like a short approach to me; Just a pointlessly low final turn... he floated for half a mile.

[9 lives]

Just a pointlessly low final turn... he floated for half a mile

Yup, probably added 5 knots for mum and the kids, and in this case, that did prevent a spin in from a low tight turn on final.

[Pirke]

The sportstar has a very similar throttle, where rotating is fine control, and you only push when to make big changes.

[Silvaire1]

You can't see it in the video but in the position where he starts his base turn, he's overhead tall buildings that top out at about half circuit height, or higher. It'd be fun to watch from that vantage point.

I don't like steep turns close to the ground myself, but a friend does that kind of approach all the time when I fly with him. His father died at 90 a short time ago, after a long life of flying... and for 40 years he told the son not to do that!

Presumably people have seen a vernier throttle before.

[piperboy84]

Presumably people have seen a vernier throttle before.

I've got one in the Maule and I really like it.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Sigh....

I find it sad that a not very well flown tight approach (lots of fiddling with the power, noticeably uncoordinated at one point and excessive float in the flare) is deemed "special" enough to be noteworthy......

[mad_jock]

Its not noteworthy it just a cunning ploy to get the number of views up on youtube and earn advertising money.

[Crash one]

Never seen a vernier throttle, learn sumfink every day.

[ChickenHouse]

Could somebody explain the hype? In my eyes this is NOT a short approach, as they travel really quite a distance, but it is a very, very low approach and of a kind of stuff serious accidents are made off. Turning final that low was definitely not necessary and I hope this was no training session, because this is definitely NOTHING one should teach. Real short approaches go from 1000ft AGL at 0.3miles sideways downwind threshold in one turn down ...

[dsc810]

Bah....that is nothing compared to this nutter

From the outside:
Crazy Pilot must see!! - YouTube

..and from the inside
Crazy Airplane Landing Captured On Video - YouTube

[shortstripper]

There's nothing wrong with steep turns close to the ground if properly flown ... Far far better than under banked, over ruddered ones!

SS

PS Nothing much in that video is very noteworthy IMHO

[Lone_Ranger]

If you actually note his touch down point, it wasn't a short approach.

[Silvaire1]

'Short Approach' is terminology frequently used by US ATC to mean turning base early, before reaching a 45 degree angle to the threshold. Neither party in this ATC exchange thought it had anything to do with the touchdown point, and both understood the common meaning.

Its the opposite of 'I'll call your base'

The runway they landed on sees a 737 every few minutes so its good to get ATC's concurrence for a 'short approach'