Holy Cow

[megan]

Lesson for jump pilots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6tgZVoZc7g

And you thought skydiving was dangerous, more die as a result of the aeroplane ride than from jumping.

[Ultralights]

holding full rudder in the direction of spin..... check
holding full aft elevator maintaining the stall. . check.

good way to lose height quickly for the next load.

[spinex]

This one has popped up from time to time - although it looks at some stages as though the pilot is holding pro spin controls, those in the know suggest that the noise was reduced a little too far on the run in, leading to the prop disking and blanking the tail feathers, hence a few unusual inputs in an attempt to restore sanity.

[drpixie]

That's a lesson for all in avoiding video recordings.

[Ozgrade3]

Jeez some people on Youtube talk crap. It was not an accidental stall & spin. A recovery could have been effected in less that a turn, additionally the framing of the skydiver and the plane was perfect. That is not a coincidence.

[Capt Fathom]

A premeditated spin that went on for ever!

Lights, Action, Camera!

[Fizzyone]

Not safe in any way
This operator should have been wound up for this
Stall/spin with pax (paying public at that)
Skydiver with his reserve handle loose and flapping in the airflow
Pilots not wearing bailout rigs
It's a pure miracle that nobody was killed

All this video is good for is showing what stupid people are capable of

[Lookleft]

If the parachutists were really concerned about what was happening they would not have been loitering near the door looking at their wrist altimeters. It was obviously a promotional video just listen to the soundtrack.

People engaging in parachuting are not "paying public" in the same category as charter or RPT. They are freely engaging in an activity that is known to be risky.

[Horatio Leafblower]

I have only done about 50 meat-bomb missions, so I am no expert, but I suspect it was the weight of the gold winker bars in the right-hand pilot's seat that caused the right wing to drop :hmm:

[jumpnut]

All look very amateurish don't they.....even the TM.

[Fizzyone]

I'm sorry lookleft but you are wrong
Tandem passengers are paying public

[Lookleft]

Happy to be proven wrong Fizzy but you will need to provide me with the reference. They are not paying public covered by the same rules governing RPT and charter.

[Ixixly]

Ahhh, don't think this was purposeful, it even says so in the Video Description:

Published on Mar 11, 2012
Atlas Angel Gabriel was declared below the minimum safe approach speed
on run-in. This led to a stall and subsequent spin. All skydivers
exited the aircraft and the pilot recovered the spin and landed the
aircraft safely. The matter was reported to the SACAA the pilot
involved will be receiving additional training to avoid re-occurrence.


The aircraft has been inspected and no contributing defects were
discovered. As a precaution the aircraft is also undergoing a stress
analysis.

Hence forth, all Atlas Angel pilots will undergo more
intense stall and spin training as part of their initial and bi-annual
re-currency training. This will enable pilots to identify and
pro-actively correct situations that may result in a stall or spin..........

Plus LookLeft, whilst the Tandems are engaging in what is known as a "High Risk Activity" which any decent DZ will make sure they are well informed of they are still Customers and as such entitled to "Risk Management and Deterrence" ie, you can't just do extra risky things during an already risky activity for the hell of it, it'd be like a roller coaster ride not bothering with safety bars to hold people in.

[Lookleft]

I have no problems with the definition of them being customers but they are only covered then by the term caveat emptor. As I stated and I encourage you to look closely at the actual wording I use: They are not fare paying public covered by the same rules that cover fare paying public on RPT and charter services.

In the same way someone paying for a joy ride in a warbird is not covered by the same rules as RPT and charter passengers.

By the way in the video there are two pilots. I would suggest the video is of the remedial training otherwise why would there be two?

[50 50]

It may be an initial jump authorisation, or whatever the equivalent is. It may be ICUS as part of a turbine endorsement.

Also notice that the pilots left shoulder is lower than his right, possibly indicating out of turn aileron, classic instinctive reaction for someone unfamiliar with spin recovery. The instructors hand is on the dash ready for a muller-beggs recovery.

It may be intentional, but why wouldn't you spin the aircraft the other way? Away from exiting jumpers.

Why would you do it at all?

[megan]

In Australia it's a bit of a murky area about tandem passengers being customers. Passengers are, unless its changed, were, required to sign up as members of the Parachute Federation, and were thus deemed to be students. The Federation got the joining fee.

[fencehopper]

Without even watching i know that it's the footage of the Comp Air. Available in kit. A few have pulled wings and had CG issues. A few in South Africa and South America. Won't see them here thank god.
Did my first jump 39 years ago, have not jumped for a couple of years now but still keep up to date and hang at the DZ still. Have jumped some real pieces of crap over the years and am glad for those still jumping that those dodgy aircraft and their operators have been given the flick.
The jumping part should be the risky bit not the ride to height. Even the jumping part is way safer than 20/30 years ago. Very rare someone bounces with two good canopies still packed. Most fatalities now are from canopy mishandling.
Jump aircraft that are used to carry students, and tandems are considered students ( Passengers also must be APF member), can only be flown in aircraft that are in the charter cat and maintained as such. Pretty sure that the pilots must be commercial. CASA rule or insurance rule ??? Either way they must also have APF jump pilot course completed. Experienced jumpers can use a private rated maintained aircraft and pilot min around 130hrs + jump endo. But no students to be dispatched or wuffos on board. Even with better aircraft maint and pilots a few accidents and incidents will happen from time to time but few and far between now. Have never liked the 'commercialism' that tandems have brought to the sport, but at least they have introduced decent turbine aircraft.
Fencehopper
'remember when sex was safe and skydiving was dangerous?'

[spinex]

Know the old one about ass-u-me? That is an Aermacchi AL-60C, re-engined with a Walter turbine. Makes quite a nice jumpship they tell me.

[fencehopper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmTa2ogcgbo
this is a good one. pretty sure the pilot made it.

The new composite 10 version has twin vertical fins and rudders. don't like the low set tailplane on these.
The recent accident in Finland was one of the South African kit built versions. Due to wing failure,