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101BOY
16th Sep 2014, 14:06
Helicopter crashes into sea in East Yorkshire

A helicopter has crashed off the coast of East Yorkshire, police have said.

PoloJamie
16th Sep 2014, 14:06
Just seen this.
BBC News - Helicopter crashes into sea in East Yorkshire (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29227193)

Erm....

Noobyflewby
16th Sep 2014, 14:08
Looks like another police machine is down according to the first report posted by the Daily Telegraph but an update to this report a short while later says Humberside's Oscar 99 is not involved.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11099472/Helicopter-crashes-into-the-sea-at-Flamborough-Head.html

Noobyflewby
16th Sep 2014, 14:09
It's the police again according to this report:


Helicopter crashes into the sea at Flamborough Head - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11099472/Helicopter-crashes-into-the-sea-at-Flamborough-Head.html)

WASALOADIE
16th Sep 2014, 14:13
The Telegraph link says it IS NOT a police helicopter

Noobyflewby
16th Sep 2014, 14:17
Indeed it now does say that. As explained from my edit above, the Telegraph has updated their first report and the new version is the one you are now seeing on the link.

AngloFrench
16th Sep 2014, 14:20
It's reported that police & coastguard confirm that a helicopter has crashed at Flamborough Head in East Yorkshire.

Let's hope for good news of those on board.

AngloFrench
16th Sep 2014, 14:25
More news breaking:-

A helicopter has crashed into the sea off Flamborough this afternoon.
The crash, south of Scarborough, happened around 1.40pm.


Humberside Police have released the following statement: "Police recieved (sic)a call from a concerned member of public reporting a helicopter having crashed into the sea off the coast near Flamborough at around 1340hrs today.


"Police, Coast Guard and ambulance service attended the area right away and a search was carried out which resulted in the helicopter being located in the sea off the coast of Flamborough near the light house.

"An area has been cordonend (sic) off while the emergency services and coast guard continue their work.

Initial inquiries are being made in order to try and establish the circumstances which led to the helicopter coming down

BOAC
16th Sep 2014, 15:14
This is a rotary issue, and you already have two threads on this there already!

dixi188
16th Sep 2014, 15:24
Is it not also "NEWS".
How about a link?

Spindryer
16th Sep 2014, 15:32
AB206 - **EX

p1fel
16th Sep 2014, 15:45
Helicopter crashes into sea near lighthouse in East Yorkshire police have said.

BBC News - Helicopter crashes into sea near lighthouse in East Yorkshire (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29227193)

AussieAndy
16th Sep 2014, 16:08
Our friends at The Press have just posted this, updated at 17:05.

Helicopter crashes into sea off Yorkshire - first witness reports - rescue underway - 5.05pm UPDATE (From York Press) (http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11476378.display/)

Privately owned, flight originated from Scotland not Durham Tees Valley is previously reported.

Air Ambulance attended however, services were not required.

Very sad :-(

Simplythebeast
16th Sep 2014, 16:47
Two killed.....
2 dead in Yorkshire helicopter crash - first witness reports - 5.35pm UPDATE (From York Press) (http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11476378.Helicopter_crashes_into_sea_off_Yorkshire___first_w itness_reports___major_rescue_underway___4_05pm_UPDATE/?ref=var_0)

DaveReidUK
16th Sep 2014, 16:52
Two killed.....

Very sad. Hopefully next of kin were informed before Spindryer's post identifying the helo involved.

thelad
16th Sep 2014, 16:57
was told it was a white Jet Ranger.

Simplythebeast
16th Sep 2014, 16:57
Apparently flying from Edinburgh to 'an airfield near Retford'"

PoloJamie
16th Sep 2014, 17:27
16-Sep-14 Bell 206B Flamborough, UK (2F) | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source (http://helihub.com/2014/09/16/16-sep-14-bell-206b-flamborough-uk-2f/)

Edinburgh to Gamston for fuel and then onward to Manston apparently, but as Manston's closed I'd assume elsewhere.

RIP

fisbangwollop
16th Sep 2014, 17:47
RIP guys.........it was a pleasure to be of service to you. :{

Brilliant Stuff
16th Sep 2014, 17:53
My condolences to the families.

Manson might be closed but you can still fly into it, get fuel and have your Bell helicopter serviced.....

Facts.

JamesCam
16th Sep 2014, 18:01
Think you will find it was SUEX

Simplythebeast
16th Sep 2014, 18:10
So it was. Will delete former comment.(AAIB report into engine failure of Bell 206 G-SUEZ).

helimutt
16th Sep 2014, 18:24
Ex G-BYBC ? :{

Harry O
16th Sep 2014, 18:42
Daily Mail coverage.
May they RIP.
Two dead as helicopter crashes 'with loud bang' off Yorkshire coast after trying to land at golf club | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2757998/Fears-missing-crew-helicopter-crashes-loud-bang-Yorkshire-coast-trying-land-golf-club.html)

Spindryer
16th Sep 2014, 21:11
Yes HM, the 206 you refer to.

Old Age Pilot
17th Sep 2014, 08:42
A Bell JetRanger helicopter can carry up to six passengers

BBC News - Two dead in Flamborough coast helicopter crash (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29227193)

How can it be so hard for these people to get right?

misterbonkers
17th Sep 2014, 08:44
Possible bird strike. Especially round there.

JamesCam
17th Sep 2014, 08:56
BBC News - Two dead in Flamborough coast helicopter crash (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29227193)

How can it be so hard for these people to get right?

Indeed the picture they show is of a Long Ranger which can carry 6 people :rolleyes:

zorab64
17th Sep 2014, 11:23
Sad news indeed. R.I.P. Gents.

For others still wishing to fly safely, and as Brilliant Stuff mentions, Manston is still there. Polo Jamie - you appear to be quite close, but if you were checking NOTAMs, there's merit in checking under the overlying one saying the ATZ is closed ad-infinitum, where you'd find this one:

H3647/14: Overflying restriction limitation
Q) EGTT/QROLT/IV/NBO/W/000/020/5121N00121E002
AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS CONTINUE WITHIN 2NM RADIUS 512032N 0012053E
(MANSTON AD, KENT). OTHER AIRSPACE USERS ARE REQUESTED TO AVOID
OVERFLIGHT OF AIRFIELD WITHOUT FIRST CONTACTING MANSTON RADIO ON
119.925 MHZ. 14-07-0617/AS1
LOWER: Surface, UPPER: 2,000 Feet AMSL
FROM: 31 Jul 2014 14:22 GMT (15:22 BST) TO: 10 Oct 2014 17:13 GMT (18:13 BST)
Posted here as it might be useful for others & for the avoidance of doubt.
I imagine it may be extended beyond 10 Oct.

Cylinder Head
18th Sep 2014, 11:26
BBC News - Flamborough helicopter crash victims named (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-29251421)

Pilots have been named. Gutted to hear it was Brian, have known him since we both started training all those years ago. I didn't know John but my sincere condolences to both families. RIP guys.

rej
18th Sep 2014, 19:17
RiP Brian. It was a pleasure working with you during the Glasgow Commonwealth Games.

John R81
19th Sep 2014, 16:31
Flamborough helicopter crash wreckage lifted to top of cliffs (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-29279066)


The wreckage of a helicopter which crashed off the East Yorkshire coast, killing two men, has been lifted out of the sea.

Pilot Brian Bridgman, 58, of Canterbury, and passenger John Kent, 50, of Romford, died when the aircraft crashed near Flamborough on Tuesday.

The operation to salvage the wreckage had been hampered by its location at the foot of the cliffs and bad weather.

But parts of the fuselage have now been lifted by crane to the cliff-top.

The Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) is leading the investigation into the cause of the crash

Cylinder Head
21st Sep 2014, 19:05
Might I ask any of Brian's colleagues to post details of his funeral when known. Would like to attend if at all possible. Thanks

Elz
24th Sep 2014, 09:42
Dear all.

Brian's daughter has asked me to share details of his funeral arrangements.

Here are the funeral details.

Service on Fri 3 Oct at 2pm at St Thomas' Church, Horseshoe Hill, Upshire, Waltham Abbey, EN9 3SS and afterwards at Foresters Arms, 15 Baldwins Hill, Loughton IG10 1SF.

Brian was a very unique, caring, thoughtful, experienced and loved pilot, father, son, friend and will be truly missed. The funeral will be made official tomorrow but for now we ask you to keep this information to yourself and let Brian's family share with the public.

💗

heliboy999
17th Jan 2016, 07:15
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib-investigation-to-agusta-bell-206b-jet-ranger-ii-g-suex

SilsoeSid
17th Jan 2016, 13:17
I'd like to believe that we are all thinking the same things.

jellycopter
17th Jan 2016, 14:14
SS,

Somehow, on Rotorheads, I doubt that very much!

JJ

EESDL
18th Jan 2016, 07:19
Very sad read.
Flies in the face of Ppruners who follow the theory that having 2-engines only doubles the risk of having an engine failure.

chopjock
18th Jan 2016, 10:44
Flies in the face of Ppruners who follow the theory that having 2-engines only doubles the risk of having an engine failure.

The biggest cause of accidents is pilot error. As in this case too in my opinion, along with some bad luck.

John R81
18th Jan 2016, 12:33
I suspect that the major learning points from this sad case relate to choosing flight path / altitude with a view to safe autorotation in a single, and possibly something about weather minimums, as opposed to "save up and buy a second engine".

ShyTorque
18th Jan 2016, 15:01
The biggest cause of accidents is pilot error. As in this case too in my opinion, along with some bad luck.So the engine failure would have made no difference, then?

If anyone says to me, with regard to aviation: "Good luck", I always reply: "Thanks, but I try not to rely on luck"

Almost forty years ago I volunteered to go swinging on the end of a winch cable, in that exact location, under a single engined, yellow helicopter, as a professional survivor. As a macho young man I knew no better back then. I certainly wouldn't be prepared to do it these days if a twin engined helicopter was available.

We've just read the reason why not.

chopjock
18th Jan 2016, 15:23
ShyT
So the engine failure would have made no difference, then?

If the pilot was flying higher or not so far out with his feet wet, then probably yes!

EESDL
18th Jan 2016, 15:49
No number of engines will save a pilot from themselves!
He knew all about weather limits and suitable flight paths but looks as if the inconvenience of missing an OPC was too much to manage.

OvertHawk
18th Jan 2016, 16:29
There are two ways to look at this.

Of course this accident would almost certainly not have happened if the aircraft had had two engines. However, not everyone can afford, or needs, two engines.

The other, and I would suggest more relevant, perspective is that this event would not have had this sad outcome if this single engine aircraft had not been flown in circumstances where a safe autorotation could not be carried out.

Very sad
OH

Jarvy
18th Jan 2016, 17:58
Firstly can I say that I have flown and worked with Brian and he was a good safe pilot.
An autorotation could have been achieved if the sea had been chosen as a landing site, but faced with a loss of power I think most of us would try for the dry option. With hindsight flying feet wet with a rugged coast line was not the best option.
No one has asked why the bearings failed causing the loss of power thus starting the accident.

timprice
18th Jan 2016, 19:34
Normally caused by lack of lubrication, so perhaps the oil feed to the bearing was reduced for some reason, leading to bearing failure.
Years ago when I was flying pipeline our company did a spectrograph on the oil after oil changes to monitor trends to try and predict this sort of problem, but as far as i am aware it never did.:{