I'm doing my ATPL full time at Oxford just now. Would be cool to meet some other gay gays who fly.

Regards

Trevor.

Open.

Thanks Hogg.

FS

It's ironic that 238 ppruners have looked at this post, yet only 2 have answered it:) .
Looking at the last 100 days postings, only 3 posts attracted more viewers, (or should that be voyeurs:p ), and one of those was posted by SurveySlut. ;)

Niknak thats probabily due to the fact I closed the thread initially but after recieving many many emails protesting I opened it again having satisfied myself it was not a wind-up.

Hogg

1. Moderation

Can I just say how much I appreciated Hogg's willingness to change his stance on this post. He subsequently sent me a very nice email which I appreciated.

It's interesting that whenever a gay person seeks other gay contacts it's immediately assumed that it's for sex. This assumption wouldn't be true say for a women pilot or black pilot looking for similar. It's about making some friends who have a common life experience and share our aviation interest.

2. Voyeurs

Niknak - yes I noticed that loads of people had looked too. I have had no emails at all. Here's hoping for a bit more response.

By the way.... out of interest....

I am currently in Tyler, Tx (Oxford's Fair Weather Base).
Home in three weeks...

Trevor.

Here here! But an ad by a gay man who's NOT looking to pick someone up? Surely not:D

What a shame some others didn't post replies. Of all the places to do it and, if one wishes, remain anonymous, this is it!!

FS

I do not mind posting a reply.

I wish that this thread were closed with imm effect.

Shame you read it then, isn't it fantom?

Live and let live.

(Yes, I read, no I ain't...:D )

I'm gay! Although sometimes I'm a bit unhappy, mostly I'm gay, or did you mean something else....?

C'mon chaps, Trevord made a serious request here. Is no-one else going to step forward and get something serious going here? Don't tell me that of the 50,000 registered / 5,000 regular PPRuNe users, NO-ONE else will step up?

FS:(

Flatspin,

Why don't you start the ball rolling ?

Trevord,

Don't fly commercially unfortunately, have PPL though and do work in an airlines operations department and yes I'm gay.

We do have "several" gay pilots working for us but due to prejudices within the aviation industry (certainly in the UK) stiff upper lip and all that c**p, they are in the closet, except to closest of friends.

You'd think in this day and age, educated individuals such as our fine colleagues, would know better than to be so bigoted and prejudiced. Another thought is that perhaps they have issues with their own sexuality.

But then I guess we really do want to jump into bed with every male we see. YEA RIGHT!

"EVEN SPAGHETTI IS STRAIGHT UNTIL YOU BOIL IT"
;) ;)

Thanks for the post Jimbojet.

Well indeed - I'm sure that there are bigoted people in this profession as there are in so many other walks of life but my experience is that the fear a gay person has of living life openly generally exceeds the actual bad consequences.

My experience with homophobic people is that if you are professional, good at your job, knowledgable, and conduct yourself appropriately and are a generally nice person to be around then you'll get people's respect. They'll have to square their professional respect and the fact that they enjoy your company with their knowledge that you're gay and their internal prejudices and discomfort. Eventually, you being a liked kinda erodes their prejudice and they realise that their views gradually change.

Kindness is indigestible I find!

I'm certainly going to be "out" at work... without being a screaming queen (which I'm not). I just want to be able to chit chat honestly about my life in the same way as a Captain will no doubt tell me about his wife in the future when I am crew.

I guess it sounds idealistic... but someone has to have a better vision in this world! That's how change occurs. If it costs me a promotion - I'd rather pay that price than lose my dignity by pretending I'm something I am not.

Anyway... at least I'll be popular with the cabin crew!!

So... anyone going to say hello?

Trevor.

Well said Jimbo and Trevord.

Ultimately, we all eat, sleep, sh*t and shave like anyone else. I've never had a single problem and, before going freelance, I worked in a large VERY male-dominated British company. As you say trevord, the secrtet is to be 'normal', and not mince around like Graham Norton (nothing personal Graham, if you're a PPRuNer...).

Right, anyone else???

Sorry, I know it has nothing to do with aviation, but are there any university graduates in the forum (just to see if we have anything in commun), oh yes is there anybody from Corwall (just to see if they have the same experiences), oh yeh is there anybody that speaks Korean (well they may be the right contact when I am next looking for a job), or another one, any boxing enthusiasts that fly (just out of curiosity), come on!!
Nothing against gay people. Each one to their one and I do work with lots of gay people. But why not ask if there are aviators from the next village or town. I have a better one. Go to a few gay clubs and start shuoting if there are any pilots about.
What ever, but don't bull$hit.
NOW, lets take cover!!!:D

Clearly there are going to be a number of silly posts/jibes made in this thread. (One has to wonder why these people feel such a pressing need to get involved in something that's apparantly nothing to do with them?!)

Anyway... I just wanted to say for the record that I don't propose to reply to any of them. I've said all I want to on the subject and feel I have made myself clear. I'm not going to lower myself to the school playground level some people seem to want to take this thread. My suggestion to you others who may feel you wish to defend/attack is you do similarly and DON'T BOTHER. It will clutter this thread which was a specific and focussed call to any other gay pilots to say hello.

So.... where are you guyz?

I've only had one sensible response from a guy who I'm talking to on email.....

Trevor.

I don't really understand the last post. But I'm always wary of people who feel they need to say things like "Nothing against gay people but ....."
I think that the contacts forum is exactly the place to meet other pilots from cornwall or people who speak korean etc etc OR other pilots who are gay. What's the problem ? Some of us welcome more diversity and more debate. I don't think that flying clubs have always been the most welcoming places for gay pilots or women pilots or older pilots or disabled pilots - but it's changing and that's a good thing in my book.
ps What's with the "Now let's take cover" at the end of the last post - I'm afraid you'll have to spell it out for me.

whoops - my comments referred to the post before last !

Trevor,

Good luck at Oxford.

Your sexual preferences have no bearing on how good a pilot you will become; indeed, some of the gay stewards I have met have been far better people than huge numbers of straight people.

Live and let live.

Different strokes for different folks. Odd how some think that censoring the post will make it go away?

Take your head out of the sand guys.

Well live and let live but my ass ain't movin from this wall!!:p :p

Hi Trevor,

I had a little look at your web site and your daughters too. You must be soo proud-- she simply seems to shine-- what charisma for a 14 year old.

Best of luck with the rest of your studies and more importantly in getting a job.

love SMILE:D

Trevor

Get yourself over to airliners.net. There is a topic there somewhere about gay pilots, I think it's in the Non Aviation Forum.

Firstly, there's plenty of 'non-aviation topics' on this pilots forum and secondly, I reckon a thread about gay pilots is fairly aviation-related don't you? Live and let live - and if you don't like it, don't read the post.






Guys This Thread is getting more difficult to watch. Hogg.

I'm not gay, but I have some good friends who are, and a nicer bunch of folks you couldn't want to meet.

Trevord, I hope you do meet some kindred spirits, and I hope it works out for you.

Id be interested in talking to any PPRuNe lesbian members! :)

PS no butch.

How's the training going Trevor?

cheers ;)

FF

Slasher,

A classic!

First we lost the Flight Engineer from the cockpit {Flightdeck} then we got women and now raging blatant gays. Why cannot they be content with being with their steward friends and remain as cabin staff!!??:confused:

I have found the gay stewards excellent to work with and female cabin crew but do I want to sit next to them for 12 hours at a time in a locked cockpit?? No!! Perhaps we should rename the cockpit as the flight deck again ,then perhaps they will not be so interested in it.:p :p

Gives bandits a whole new meaning!!!

I really wish I hadn't bothered asking how his training was going as it seems the comments would be better suited to JET BLAST than here.

cheers for this :rolleyes:

FF

Hey - Former Flyer - thanks for asking. Yes it's going fine. I've got all my JARs and my CPL Skills passed. Finished the singles instrument work and just started the Senecas now. I'll be taking my IR in 2 - 3 months. Only then leaves the MCC which is 2 weeks. Afterwards... well... we all know the job situation! Not a lot out there just now.

My skeleton plan is to make airline applications of course but not to expect replies or interviews for up to a year. I'm going to get some contract IT work once I leave Oxford in order to live, clear my debts and keep myself current - keeping flying the Seneca as much as I can afford.

Nice of you to ask anyway.

I back-seated Trevor this week (ooo-er) when he flew to Cranfield and Brize. I'm a student at Oxford Aviation as well and would also like to get to know other gay pilots. i think it's a unique excuse to meet up with other pilots. My friends are sometimes envious that I have made more contacts throught them in this way. Anyway, I hope to let Trevor back-seat me soon in return!

Matt

I'm not gay, but quite like the sound of it.. Where can I learn?

Well... I've only had a few replies from my original post wondering if there were any other gay aviators on here. Shame I didn't get more. Come on guyz. What's keeping you? I *know* you're out there!

I can see from the banter that followed that some thought my post strange perhaps - but naturally it is nice to have some mates who see life through similar eyes too.

I'm almost done at Oxford now. Got my CPL, IR and the ATPL exams. Only the MCC to do. Will be done by July.

Hope there are going to be some jobs out there soon!!!

Trevor. td@<hidden>

I never post here, so why the hell not... I'm gay, and trust me, there are TONS of gay pilots out there (closet cases mainly...:rolleyes: ) hehe

Hi everyone, I wanted to let you know that, since my last post, I am now on the final flying phase at Oxford and am loving it. I have also had the pleasure of having Trevor back-seat me. He was the perfect back-seater, only speaking when spoken to and he looked after my pink handbag. He told me he was impressed with my performance, especially as it was my first time - no, not that - doing the NBD/DME procedure at Gloucester!

Anyway, congratulations to Trevor for passing his IR this week. I hope to be doing the same in the next couple of months. Forget wanting to meet other gay pilots Trevor - are there any gay airline recruitment officers out there?!!! LOL

If anyone wants to know my website or have a chat then drop me a line via the private messages and I will let you know. I would genuinely like to meet other pilots (gay or straight, employed or not) for advice, drinking sessions, CRM practising, encouragement and ultimately, inspiration!

Matt

yes, i must concur with smurf... there's a LOT of pilots out there who think they are clothes! :p where i'm from it is even worse considering society and it's perceived 'norms'... but it is getting better...

Grow up

Edited by PPRuNe Admin Team

The unsavory posts are not limited to gay threads; I would say 99.9% of the unsavory posts are by heterosexuals, wouldn't you?

I don;t know Bubette. When I've seen 'unsavoury' posts, the people haven't mentioned their sexual preferences.
I thought it was clear I was talking about gay men trying to pick up other gay men on an aviation website not unsavoury posts. People have a free choice when they enter a gay website but I'm surprised to see it on a site like this. Isn't Contacts meant for people in aviation to trace old friends not for gay pick-ups?
Anyway, I'm just giving my opinion. The site owners can accept it or reject it.

The internet has numerous websites catering for every conceivable sexual propensity where people can meet/pick-up others who share the same preferences.
I believe there's an aviation site which has a dedicated pick-up forum for people who wish to meet others who are in / interested in aviation and also share the same sexual preferences - it should be easy to find with Google or some other search engine.

The Contacts Forum is not to be used for this purpose.

Thread Closed.

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