Italian AF Tornado crash (X2) following mid-air?

[Rhino power]

Just been reading on another forum, reports from Twitter of a pair of AMI Tornado having crashed following a mid-air. Although I can't find anything doing a news search?

-RP

[wiggy]

Further down the page in the Italian sub-forum somebody has just posted this:

Ascoli Piceno, incidente in volo tra due Tornado dell'Aeronautica: piloti salvi - Tgcom24 (http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/marche/2014/notizia/ascoli-piceno-incidente-in-volo-tra-due-tornado-dell-aeronautica-piloti-salvi_2063613.shtml)

Sorry, can't help with a translation.

[Rhino power]

Roughly translated, it says, two aircraft touched in flight and one caught fire, both aircraft then crashed, I think, but can't confirm due to a dodgy translation that, the report suggests at least two crew managed to eject?

-RP

[500N]

Rhino

That is what I got as well.

And it seemed to indicate that both pilots survived although
it was a dodgy translation.

Also, fires started on the ground.

[brokenlink]

I think (with my very, very basic Italian) that "piloti salvi" may indicate that at least someone survived. Hoping for positive news.

[NutLoose]

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2014/08/19/two-italian-af-jets-collide-in-midair_f4957202-2edf-4104-bb26-970c079900fc.html

No parachutes seen :(

Hope they are ok

[duxone]

Translation is pretty good...

Basically the two ship collide and both plane crash on the hill....seems that the four crews ejected but no confirmation on chute yet...

Will see!(... And hope!)

[Ethiopia]

Two Italian Tornado jets crash on training exercise (http://aviationtribune.com/military/item/1396-two-italian-tornado-jets-crash-on-training-exercise)

[MPN11]

Yet another case of "the pilots ejected", and indeed the same now on Fox News.

Don't any media outlets know about 2-seat aircraft? fingers still crossed for good mews for all 4 crew.

[60024]

The original article says that a parachute has been found, but nobody with it.

The 20:21 Telegiornale update says that the crews (pilots and navs ejected) but are 'lost'.

Photo here ( at 2000GMT): http://www.rainews.it

[500N]

Now that is a one in a million photograph if ever I saw one.


Hope the crews are OK.

[Typhoon93]

Glad both crews managed to eject. That could have been much worse.

[Distant Voice]

Ejection does not mean survival. Remember our own Moray Firth collision.

DV

[MVilliers]

The crews have been named but still missing....
Capt. Alessandro Dotto and Capt. Giuseppe Palminteri, Capt. Mariangela Valentini and Capt. Paolo Piero Franzese.

[salad-dodger]

Glad both crews managed to eject. That could have been much worse.
Did you read any of this thread before you posted that Typhoon?

S-D

[duxone]

One fatality just being confirmed....

[Clandestino]

The photograph allegedly shows the moment after the collision:

http://i.imgur.com/uPRnSEe.png

[rolandpull]

It would appear those involved here were 3 males and a female, the latter being one of the pilots. Two bodies recovered so far this morning, one confirmed as a male.

[Davef68]

Are all Italian Tornado aircrew not pilots, albeit the back seaters operating in a WSO role? Or do they have specialist WSOs?

[Distant Voice]

Second body found. A news conference was scheduled for Thursday at a military airport at Ghedi in northern Italy to discuss the training mission and the jets.

DV

[500N]

Very sad to hear.


In one of the photos, the crash site and fires is just past some high tension wires that cross the valley.

[MPN11]

In one of the photos, the crash site and fires is just past some high tension wires that cross the valley.

If so, not the first and certainly not the last. What a bugger.

RIP etc. What else can one say?

[60024]

500n,

In that photo the fireball is possibly about 1000ft above the nearest hilltops. Now that would need some very tall pylons to support wires, given the nature of the terrain in that part of the country (which can be seen in the photo).

[500N]

60024

I was passing comment, but not wanting to get into speculation that they
hit them but more that they might have risen up to avoid them ???

Anyway, hope some good news comes out.

[duxone]

Il portale dell'Aeronautica Militare - I nostri ragazzi (http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/News/Pagine/20140823_IncidenteDiVoloTornado.aspx)

[Lonewolf_50]

My Italian is terrible, but I infer from that news article and my fractured understanding of the prose that all four have been lost. :{

RIP, four of our comrades in arms. :uhoh:

[EAP86]

The body of the last victim (the lady pilot) was found on Sunday. Two inquiries have been instigated; one military, one civil. Both ADRs have been recovered. RIP

[bakseetblatherer]

RIP, my thoughts are with family and friends :sad:

[Distant Voice]

Has anyone come across any reports as to the cause of this collision? I know that they did not have CWS.

DV

[DirtyProp]

No official conclusions yet.
According to a mainstream newspaper, one of them should have been at 10000 ft, instead of 1000. Two planes, two different missions.

Scontro Tornado, «l’aereo fuori posto era quello di Mariangela Valentini» - Corriere.it (http://www.corriere.it/cronache/14_ottobre_19/scontro-tornado-l-aereo-fuori-posto-era-quello-mariangela-valentini-849956f4-57d1-11e4-8fc9-9c971311664f.shtml)

Tornado's collision, Mariangela Valentini's plane was in the wrong place.