Plane crash near Albury

[Desert Flower]

Just heard on the news that a plane went down in the Burrumbuttock area around 5:40PM this afternoon. One feared dead. Anyone know anything more?

DF.

[Avgas172]

Minimum of details so far.
Pilot dies in light plane crash north of Albury (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pilot-dies-in-light-plane-crash-north-of-albury-20140720-zv3tl.html)
A172

[Xray Tango]

Listening to the local news it seems a " light aircraft " came in contact with power lines whilst on decent into a " paddock " ? Pilot deceased, no further report on other pax.

[1a sound asleep]

It is believed the aircraft struck powerlines about 5.40pm before coming down in a paddock about 100 metres from the Farmer’s Inn hotel.

A police media spokeswoman confirmed the pilot died.

[VH-XXX]

Oh crap not another one.

Last light 5:47pm.

[outnabout]

Yes, XXX, another one. RIP.


Burrumbuttock pilot killed in light plane crash | Goulburn Post (http://www.goulburnpost.com.au/story/2430205/burrumbuttock-pilot-killed-in-light-plane-crash/)

[Hempy]

ATSB held an on site media briefing at 3:30. Two investigators are on site and they are requesting any eye-witnesses come forward.

Single pilot, no witnesses (atm), crash on approach. They may well end up being 100% correct, but unless there is an obvious structural failure in the wreckage that they can't attribute to the impact, I'm pretty sure they wont reconstruct any further than 'pilot error' on this one.

There have been too many people dying lately, it's starting to make me feel a bit sick.

[vee1-rotate]

Rego was VH-TRS

[Avgas172]

Investigation number: AO-2014-131 :sad:

Unfortunately another aviator is no longer with us.

[truthinbeer]

Looks like pilot is a local so probably has landed there a hundred times without incident. Very sad for his family and the local residents of Burrumbuttock.

[dubbleyew eight]

on tonight's telly it was listed as a crop duster crashed near albury. :ugh:

if VH-TRS is correct it was a cessna 182 registered to Kristen Barr of burrumbuttock

[Squawk7700]

The pilot was reported to have just taken off from his private strip which was .5 kms from the crash site. The engine was reported to have been spluttering and surging as it flew low over houses and properties prior to crashing.

[fixa24]

The registered owner was the pilot. Confirmed on win news.

[bentleg]

ATSB report has issued. An accident that need not have happened.


https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5738040/ao2014131_final.pdf

[spinex]

That makes for uncomfortable reading.:(

Admittedly a fairly simple accident, but I thought it was a good report, fairly direct and without the verbiage that so often clutters these things.

[Duck Pilot]

Sadly this is the third accident report that I have read in the last 18 months that has been a result of pilots doing totally stupid illegal low flying resulting in fatalities.

Low flying without the appropriate training and approvals is absolutely stupid and dangerous, that's why CASA have rules in relation to this activity.

If you accidentally fly below the minimum altitude by 100 feet or maybe 300 feet(?) who cares, and will CASA prosecute you? Probably no, as the evidence generally would be inaccurate in terms of a potential prosecution. However if you collided with something on or attached to the ground, you are going to feel some pain, not only from CASA, but also financially as a result of the damages you have caused (forget about the injuries, you would totally deserve them!) - if you are lucky enough to survive.

[Ultralights]

Low flying without the appropriate training and approvals is absolutely stupid and dangerous, that's why CASA have rules in relation to this activity.



so, seeing as this keeps happening, the rules obviously dont work. and no, we dont need more rules, as this has been proven to not be a deterrrant to these actions. we need better training and a better attitude to flying.. until attitudes change towards low level flight, im sure in the not to distant future, there will be another report like this one just with different location and different names..

[Squawk7700]

If I'm not mistaken, Raaus are pushing 12 fatalities this year of which *most* were not mechanically induced. It's the season not to be jolly.

It doesn't seem to matter how many rules there are, people will still break them. It's not like there aren't penalties for doing it either. It will take a lot to change it and I'm fresh out of ideas on how you do it quickly or easily.

[Duck Pilot]

Rules are in place to keep the honest on the straight and narrow - in a round about way, may not happen all the time though due to mistakes and unintentional errors.

Rules will never prevent stupidity. If one has the intent to carry out a dangerous act, rules mean nothing until the person has to face the music - if they should survive.

Regulators and law enforcement agencies can not regulate for acts of stupidity.......

[Squawk7700]

due to mistakes and unintentional errors

It depends on your definition of the above...

Is formating on and colliding with another aircraft a mistake or unintentional?
Is doing a wingover into cloud and hitting a mountain a mistake?
What about turning back after an engine failure, is that a mistake?

[Duck Pilot]

You can't be serious Squawk7700?

This website certainly generates some strange responses.

Time to deregister from Ppune methinks, I am wasting my time viewing this website.

[Squawk7700]

I don't understand your point and the feeling that you need to de-register. Perhaps you have misunderstood my post, which if is the case, I apologise for any ambiguity.

Too many of say that "mistakes" are made, however when you troll through the wording you'll see that people's interpretation of a "mistake" varies significantly. What might seem like a mistake to one guy, looks like bad luck for another.

[Sunfish]

there is a certain type of person who is impervious to received common sense. I see them regularly on the water when Yacht racing. It does not matter what you try and tell them, they know better. I have no doubt that they exist in aviation as well.

In trying to detect and guard against these idiots, micro prescriptive CASA regulation is counter productive because it is so badly written, draconian, ass backwards,ill thought out and confusing it brings regulation itself into contempt.

This leads our budding aviator into the dangerous attitude that: " all these regulations are stupid and silly" just because 90% of them are stupid and silly.

Tragically this aviator did not have the skill, imagination and experience to separate out the 10% of CASA regulations that are written in the blood of those who disobeyed them.

This is the case for simple plain english FAA style regulation in my opinion.

[Ovation]

In trying to detect and guard against these idiots, micro prescriptive CASA regulation is counter productive because it is so badly written, draconian, ass backwards, ill thought out and confusing it brings regulation itself into contempt

Sunfish, I think you've encapsulated what 90% of GA pilots think about CASA. The remaining 10% wouldn't care.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Slight 'drift'.....

Re Sunny's definition....

I, for another, could not agree more!!

And, I have said so in that 'survey' recently asked for by the 'double dutch legalese' specialists that attempt to be 'our regulator' (small print intended) and whom I have great difficulty in trying to understand....

How on earth do the wannabees do an 'Air Legislation' exam these days...??
Sheesh!!

WE are NOT lawyers, we WANT rules that we can read and understand whilst sitting in our 'very small offices-in-the-sky'....

OVAH!

No Cheers...Nope...None at all...:uhoh:

[Jabawocky]

Sunny = Nail on head.

And the cowboy element will still exist, but the fewer that become encourage to go there by the regulator the better.

I am that over CASA stupidity that if I were of the kind that would not care about trying to do the right thing, I would go off the grid too. It is easy to see why so many do.

[TWT]

Low flying indeed.Powerline height: 9.5m AGL.

[Duck Pilot]

Illegal low flying is like drink driving, no rules or regulator is going to prevent a person with intent from partaking in stupid behaviour. Stupidity cannot be regulated!

If you witnessed a fellow pilot doing a beat up, what would you do? If you elected to do nothing and the pilot subsequently killed himself or someone else at some stage later doing the same dangerous activity, how would you feel?

[Howard Hughes]

so, seeing as this keeps happening, the rules obviously dont work. and no, we dont need more rules, as this has been proven to not be a deterrrant to these actions. we need better training and a better attitude to flying.. until attitudes change towards low level flight, im sure in the not to distant future, there will be another report like this one just with different location and different names..
Sadly those who flout the rules will not seek out the correct training, regardless of how much education is provided, or what rules are in place!

[Duck Pilot]

Exactly correct Howard, no rules will have any effect on the recalcitrant people.

[Centaurus]

Exactly correct Howard, no rules will have any effect on the recalcitrant people

Hoon drivers for example. Which is why it is a total waste of time spending tax payers money on Drive Safely advertisements on TV and other media:ugh:.