That's Torn It - New Defence SofS

[Roland Pulfrew]

BBC News just announced that Philip Hammond is replacing Hague as Foreign Sec. It's only a Nick Robinson rumour but that could be bad news for Defence!

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

So, now there is the prospect of a f#cked up Foreign Policy leading to more wars, with a Defence Policy that's just been f#cked up?

The good ol' Peter Principle in action.

[Melchett01]

Newnight has just reported the same thing and the Telegraph website was earlier tipping Hammond to take over.

So in one day Defence gets to keep £1bn of underspend and loses its SoS. What the Lord giveth with one hand, he takes away with the other.

So the big question - how many SoSs in how many years? And who is most likely to come in to take over? Odds on a female SoS?

Edited to add - rumours circulating of Ian Duncan Smith to Defence. If so, well, at least he has been in the military and previously served as Shadow SoS under William Hague. So at least he seems to have some relevant experience.

[Qfeye]

Yep, he has some relevance. Done a great job with our pensions........

[the funky munky]

Nick Robinsons update on the BBC news web page is tipping Ian Duncan Smith, if so at least it would be a Defence Secretary that has served not like the last couple (although wasn't Dr Fox a territorial when he wasn't playing 80's pop?). Also according to the Telegrah, Sir Bob Kerslake the head of the Civil Service has also been axed, or rather removed from his post. Interesting times ahead!

[NutLoose]

William Hague to resign as foreign secretary in major cabinet reshuffle | Politics | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/14/cabinet-reshuffle-william-hague-tory-government)

Vague is retiring..

[Could be the last?]

Just what we need as we role towards the next SDSR...........

[smujsmith]

Crikey, I just saw a bit of news suggesting Soubrey as the new Min of Def. I suspect that these " ladies" will be out to show how many balls they have. I'm so glad my days in the service are finished .

Smudge

[Archimedes]

The IDS to Defence rumour has been doing the rounds for a few days - the problem being that IDS seems to be reluctant to leave DWP, and it seemed odd that Hammond would be on his way out. Now Hague has gone, giving a promotion opportunity, that gives a degree of sense to the suggestion that IDS would move.

I imagine that a reasonably big-hitter will move into the post, since the risk of the Torygraph and the Mail banging on about not taking defence seriously if a relatively junior minister got the job (think Ainsworth's appointment).

If rumours of his return to government are correct, the 'obvious' answer would be the rehabilitated Liam Fox, who might manage to master his brief second time around. God help us...

[NutLoose]

Fox according to one rag is coming back into government

[Not_a_boffin]

If it is IDS, stand by for much rejoicing in Capbadge Command.......

Not so clever elsewhere methinks.

[Barksdale Boy]

Presumably Hague has resigned to spend more time with.....Angelina Jolie.

[St Johns Wort]

PAYD - Out.
P Ed branch - disbanded.
Fitness tests discontinued.
Massive expansion of Catering branch.
High energy aircrew rations reinstated at higher rates and backdated.

Well, that's what I heard anyway..........

[Al R]

Hammond as Foreign Secretary? Appointing someone who said he would leave the EU as it currently stands would be sending out a bit of a message. On the other, not appointing someone who said he would leave the EU as it currently stands would be sending out a bit of a message.

[Wensleydale]

"Odds on a female SoS?"

So that's why the latest brochures on armoured vehicles came with a colour choice?

[Lima Juliet]

If it is IDS then it might not be so bad as his old man was a RAF pilot with 17 kills to his name.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Royal_Air_Force-_Italy%2C_the_Balkans_and_South-east_Europe%2C_1942-1945._CNA1757.jpg/165px-Royal_Air_Force-_Italy%2C_the_Balkans_and_South-east_Europe%2C_1942-1945._CNA1757.jpg
Gp Capt WGG Duncan Smith DSO* DFC** RAF

One would hope that IDS, as a scaly brat, would have some fond memories of the light blue?

LJ

[Courtney Mil]

What?

"Are you qualified to carry out my operation, Doctor?"

"No, I'm not a Doctor, but my Father was."

[MPN11]

The latest BBC/Norman Smith bubbling suggests the new Cabinet will, amongst other things, be more Eurosceptic. Appeal to the Public at the next Election, that sort of thing. Competency would be a bonus, of course.

[skua]

and a surprise!

[Pontius Navigator]

How was Hammond perceived? Whatever way he did 4 years which was a marked improvement over Tony Bliar's plot where the revolving door in the MOD never stopped.

[althenick]

From Wiki on IDS

He was commissioned into the Scots Guards as a second lieutenant on 28 June 1975. He was assigned the service number 500263.[9] He was promoted to lieutenant on 28 June 1977.[10] He was moved to the Regular Army Reserve of Officers on 2 April 1981, signalling his retirement from the military.[11]

Ex Regiment so explains the bombastic way he goes about things

He is also Scottish - Including myself that makes 2 Rory Voters from up here :E

[NutLoose]

I wonder how you appoint a female Minister of Defence? look at their legs and the ones closest to resembling milk bottles mounted on shoes get the job? that way you know they''ll fit in.

[CoffmanStarter]

If only we could persuade BEagle to stand as an MP ... but with his sound common sense approach and reasoned argument ... he'd have no chance of becoming SofS for Defence ;)

[MaroonMan4]

If I recall correctly Dr Fox had a pretty realistic and well balanced view of Defence, and said some sensible stuff - which is rare for a politician.

I do agree though, we certainly need a SofS that not only understands Defence, but importantly can communicate and inform a public that has a reducing ability to comprehend anything beyond the 'what were we doing in Afghan' argument.

I was recently having a chat with my 23ish year old tennis coach (yep, I am that rubbish!) over Argentina v Germany World Cup favourites, and to my amazement he had no knowledge of the Falklands Conflict, and this wasn't an inner city drug using drop out, but what I thought as an articulate and educated young lad.

I know that just as we can't live on the laurels of the Battle of Britain that the Navy can't live off the Falklands, but if the nation forgets or fails to understand these lessons then we will only repeat them.

This is the challenge for the next SofS - Mr Hammond has balanced the books (probably too over zealously I believe), but I personally felt that he could have done more to make the nation as a whole more aware of why there was a requirement to spend on Defence on what the roles, purposes and functions of the Royal Navy, Army, Royal Air Force are in this post Afghan era now that Bin Laden and the publicly associated War on Terror is complete.

If not Dr Fox, then IDS was pretty robust within the cabinet with Work and Pensions and might be able to prevent other departments sniping at MoD money in the future around SDSR15.

If any luck either Dr Fox or Mr Duncan Smith will be able to reverse some of the very short sighted Treasury lead decisions from the last SDSR.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Michael Fallon it is..well, he knows how to fiddle his expenses..let's see if that helps him get more money out of the Treasury for effective Defence spending

[CoffmanStarter]

Bu99er ! ... Sevenoaks is in LFA18 ... so absolutely no chance of getting any Mil FJ Low Flying traffic now :(

[Davef68]

Another one of the 'hidden' Scots in the Conservative party.

[Jimlad1]

Hammond did a difficult job well. I would say the proof is that when he came to office the MOD had poor relations with HM Treasury and very little delegated authority to spend without HMT sign off. Today is has the highest level of delegated authority of department.

Hammond was never a 'people person' but those who worked with him saw he was passionate about supporting defence, he was very pro military but he couldnt stand sacred cows existing unless there was a really good reason for them. I think the opposition to him comes from areas where sacred cows were looked at and found to be wanting.

I am glad Fox isn't coming back - a great opposition politician, found very wanting indeed in the Great Offices of state and arguably well out of his depth.

[handsfree]

And Anna Soubry is promoted at the Ministry of Defence to the rank of minister of state.

[ShotOne]

Surely he's been one of the least worst Secs for some time? When he was appointed, Broon had been signing IOU's everywhere which he had to pay for. Some of it was not even budgeted at all!

It must have been a dismal time to be a serviceman -but blaming Hammond for that is like the victim of a brawl punching the ambulanceman.

[Lima Juliet]

[sarcasm on] Oh goody, another career politician... [sarcasm off]

I note that the Right Honorable Mr Fallon has, as Fox 3 noted, had his hand in the till. Should be good for all of those JPA claims then!

From Wikipedia:
According to one newspaper, Mr Fallon, the deputy chairman of the Treasury select committee, claimed for the mortgage repayments on his Westminster flat in their entirety. MPs are only allowed to claim for interest charges.

Between 2002 and 2004, Mr Fallon regularly claimed £1,255 per month in capital repayments and interest, rather than the £700-£800 for the interest component alone. After his error was noticed by staff in the Commons fees office in September 2004, he said: "Why has no one brought this to my attention before?"[citation needed] He repaid £2,200 of the over-claim, but was allowed to offset the remaining £6,100 against his allowance.

Finally, just how is the Secretary of State for Defence a suitably qualified and experienced person (SQEP) in that he left St Andrews Uni to go into politics and then for a short while dabbled as director of some care-home and nursing-home companies? :confused:

Isn't it odd that being a politician requires absolutely no qualifications at all and now it woukd also appear that Ministers are the same. It must be the highest paid non-skilled job in the country!

LJ

[ShotOne]

"...another career politician.." Who were up you expecting, Leon, a lollipop lady?

I've no idea whether he'll be any good but if you're implying previous military service is essential, bear in mind some of our most disastrous Defence Secs have been so qualified. Dennis Healey for instance, late of the Royal Engineers pretty much dismantled the Services on his watch. Not just the high profile scrappings of most of our carriers, TSR2 and the F111, but a thorough neglect of the basics. He left our submarines to all intents unarmed, with torpedoes capable of less than half the speed of Russian subs.

[Lima Juliet]

Shotone

Off of the top of my head:

IDS - who was a a Guards Officer for 6 years.
Dr Fox - who was a GP and Army Medical Officer.
Theresa Villiers - a Barrister.
Chris Grayling - a successful career in the broadcasting industry.

As I see it, there are those that have cut a career before becoming an MP, and then there are those that have coasted into politics via a PPE, history or economica degree and stayed put ever since - the latter being career politicians. I don't trust career politicians as they will say anything to keep their chosen careers alive - they have no backup careers to fall back on if they don't get elected!

Just my opinion, of course!

LJ

[Lima Juliet]

And whilst we're at it Churchill was SoS for defence, as was MacMillian. Both served with distinction and made fine SoSs.

:ok:

[Easy Street]

Interesting to get someone with business and financial experience dealing with BAE et al - plus he's recently been picking up the pieces after the defence industry as Minister for Portsmouth (http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-25753398). I can't work out whether that background will make him sympathetic to the big defence contractors...

[ShotOne]

While no doubt a distinguished gent, can you really describe MacMillan as "a fine SOS" when he was in post for less than a year, Leon? One might also add to your list Lt Col Duncan Sandys, who in the 1950's declared the days of the manned fighter to be over and by the by shut down much of the UK aerospace industry. And perhaps the name of Brigadier John Profumo rings a bell, though not for the right reasons?

The point is, most of the current candidates are well into their 50's or older. How relevant is what they were doing as 20 year olds? I suggest that a military link on the CV is no guarantee they'll be a great SoS thirty years later.

[Lima Juliet]

Shotone

I think you're missing the thrust of my argument. I don't trust career politicians and never will. Indeed the worst, in my opinion, are the 'champagne socialist' career politicians like comrades Milliband and Balls - like all career politicos they will say anything to save their careers.

Finally, I have no doubt there are people with military backgrounds that have been poor SoSs, but I don't believe it is a clean sweep as you would suggest. If ai look at your example of Mr Sandys, yes his name was on the report but which idiots in the ministry advised him? Furthermore, I wouldn't expect a Lt Col to be SQEP to lead on the missile vs aircraft debate! (Which is kind of my point). However, going back to my main thrust about career politicians, I believe we would fair a lot better with SQEP politicians - at least they would be a little more in touch with the real world, which seems to be the main complaint of the population these days and why Mr Farage did so well in the Euros.

LJ :ok:

[Wensleydale]

May I suggest that a military background would be a positive disadvantage to being SoS? The individual would have experienced only one part of the entire military family and could therefore, perhaps, favour one facet of the military over another simply because of their background and not on the facts presented at the time. One only has to read PPrunE to see the differing opinions expressed on a topic - often based upon the branch that the contributor had served in. (I would hate to use the ex-MPA chaps as an example here, but you see what I mean). Yes, military experience for one in Government is no bad thing but the SoS for Defence has to have an open mind and a blank canvas.

[the funky munky]

Ideally I would prefer someone in a Ministerial position to have some grounding in that area. One aspect that an ex-military background brings which has to be a positive in any S of S or Minister for that matter, is that the military are taught Leadership.
Frankly, leadership and the realisation that they are responsible for their actions are both sadly lacking in a great number of our Ministers.
Not that I am saying that all MPs should be ex military but at least they have been leaders in their professional lives. Not sure if a PPE, History or Economics degree provides the same grounding.

[cokecan]

the big issue for Fallon is the prep/writing the 2015 SDSR - the rest is just miniscule stuff.

LRMPA/MMA, Nukes, land force and maritime capability for the next 20 years - these are political/societal issues, not something that 4 years as a JO 35 years ago is going to help decide...

[Lima Juliet]

the big issue for Fallon is the prep/writing the 2015 SDSR - the rest is just miniscule stuff.

LRMPA/MMA, Nukes, land force and maritime capability for the next 20 years - these are political/societal issues, not something that 4 years as a JO 35 years ago is going to help decide...


I agree, but do tell us what makes the Right Honorable gentleman so well qualified to do it? Being a director for 5 years of care home and nursery companies doesn't seem to be a grounding in international and strategic affairs - even his political career doesn'y point at it with a background in Energy, Education, Trade and Industry and then the Treasury?

Just sayin'

LJ :cool:

[Lima Juliet]

One thing, just heard on Radio 4, at least he is a €urosceptic! :ok:

[NutLoose]

Leon..

Dame Deirdre Hutton, DBE became Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority on the 1st August 2009 and was previously Chair of the Food Standards Agency until July 2009

Probably why the only thing that possibly improved at CAA HQ was the meals in the canteen...

[CoffmanStarter]

One thing, just heard on Radio 4 ...

Shouldn't you be on UHF :}

[ShotOne]

"What makes him so well qualified to do it..." Well, maybe because more people voted for him and his party than anyone else. And if you don't think he does a good job it won't be long before you can choose another lot.

There are countries where political appointments are made on the basis of military service and I'd rather not live in any of them.

[Lima Juliet]

Shotone

Funny, I don't remember voting for this politician to be the SoS for Defence!!!

What I wanted for the country was a bunch of SQEP individuals to run it, not a bunch of amateurs that are being given a chance to dabble to see how they get on! As. I stated before, I don't believe in career politics and I think all politicians should have some experience in the real world before being immersed in Westminster for years on end.

LJ

[ShotOne]

Whatever you think of him, Leon, he was democratically elected. That's not to say you get to allocate the jobs. But if you don't like the way his party leader has done so, you'll soon get the chance to say so. I generally agree with your sentiments about experience. The trouble is, if you make a special case for our own vested interest by insisting on military experience for Defence Sec, pretty soon the Health Sec has to be a doctor, Education Sec a teacher, and so on. Before long parliament is reduced to a funfair of special interests

[Archimedes]

Thing is, though, that he's a different breed of 'career politician' - being in the CRD in the 1970s (or its Labour equivalent) was not quite the same thing as the fast-track to parliamentary candidature that membership of this sort of body has now become, where everyone there is a 'policy wonk' with rock-all idea of the world outside.

Dependent upon what Fallon did in the CRD, he will have become expert and deeply knowledgable about a number of things relevant to the real world (as it was at the time).

It was no different to going into (say) a bank and being one of their research-type teams, or working in a politics department in a University - albeit the contacts and depth of briefing would've been much better.

The ethos was different, too - you didn't join the CRD with the expectation of becoming a parliamentary candidate or an MP; clearly that was an option and many members did just that because doors were opened a little further. The members also worked alongside people who had lots of real-world experience: Enoch Powell before his becoming an MP, for example.

By the same token, though, consituency parties of the time (up to the early 80s) only took the CRD members they rated, since one of the key issues was that the committees - still made up of stereotypical florid-faced retired Majors, ladies who blue rinsed their cats and often fitting the notion that the Church of England was the Tory party at prayer - would ask 'and what does this young man know about anything?'.

If anything, it is a good sign that Fallon was chosen, since glib, jargon-spouting no-nothings got short shrift, unlike today. He'd have been up against people who had 'proper' jobs, and was impressive enough to trump them; even under Thatcher (at least in the first term), the constituency parties brooked no interference from Central Office, and attempting to impose a fresh-faced researcher who someone high in the party liked was a short-cut to rejection; even being known as the 'favourite' of a party figure was not guaranteed to help (particularly if the party figure was disliked by the constituency committee).

But the CRD was taken under closer party control - it was independent of Central Office until Thatcher's time - shortly before Fallon departed and from that point on, you start to see the scenario of the professional politician we know and dislike today - short time making the tea, short time doing some policy research, then becoming a SPAD (no, not *that* sort of SPAD...), then getting a highly-paid press officer's post in your early 30s, etc, etc.

I'm not saying that being a 'professional' political type in the 1970s/80s is a good thing, but lumping Fallon in amongst the 'professionals' of today and ascribing a similar lack of depth, analytical rigour and pure pursuit of political power is a bit unfair because it misses the fact that it was rather different before the opening of the era when Cameron/Balls/Brown/Cooper/Letwin et al started on their path to high office.

[TorqueOfTheDevil]

Education Sec a teacher


Mmm, let's try that and see how it goes...

[Archimedes]

We already have... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estelle_Morris,_Baroness_Morris_of_Yardley)

[Lima Juliet]

Even the Conservative Research Dept (CRD) for Lord Carrington whilst in opposition from 1977-79 and then Baroness Elles from 1977 for €urope stuff is again not pushing any buttons with me as to Mr Fallon being the right man for the job.

Look I have nothing against Mr Fallon MP, I just question why we seem to have persons that would appear on paper to be a better fit for the SoS for Defence post, that's all. I would have thought that he would be far better suited to Health with his recent directorship of care and nursing homes? He sounds like someone that I would and I might vote for in the future, but I question the PM's decision making process for selecting a SoS for Defence. This is a question that I have long considered and whether we do things right in our selection for the top posts within the Westminster village. I am not convinced!

LJ

[Onceapilot]

Sad to say, senior Mil have the responsibility to guide the politicians!:uhoh:

OAP

[Archimedes]

But who is better-qualified? Being an expert in the field is not, in fact, part of an MP's job description, nor a minister - unless it is a legal position where having legal qualifications is essential.

In some instances, expertise has brought disaster: we've had a number of Chancellors who were economists by trade/training and with the exception of Roy Jenkins, they've all been disasters.

Ted Heath's appointment of a former Director of the CBI as Sec of State for Trade and Industry ended in disaster (John Davies ended up as an excellent shadow foreign secretary instead; he didn't get the job in 1979 because he retired from politics in 1978 after being diagnosed with a brain tumour which killed him in the following summer).

Being well-qualified on paper doesn't always translate to good execution of the job, particularly in politics...

[PICKS135]

Doesnt matter who is SoS. He just signs off on it all. UnCivil serpents make all the decisions.

I could take over as SoS. Dad ex Para. Me ex RAF.
Missed the last APC to Malta due to matelot breaking nose.

So forget your Subs and Carriers.

Dont hold grudges :}:}

[MAD Boom]

I don't trust career politicians as they will say anything to keep their chosen careers alive

There are a fair few senior mil (who you seem to believe would do a far better job) that fall into the same bracket....

[Lima Juliet]

Let's see how well this recently appointed Minister does then as PUS and Minister Reserves in the MOD:

Julian Brazier has been the Conservative MP for Canterbury and Whitstable since 1987. He has been a member of Defence Select Committee from 1998-2001 and from 2010 until his appointment as a Minister. He served as an officer in the Territorial Army for thirteen years, six of them in Airborne forces.

Judging by the comments of some here, it will be a disaster. Somehow, I suspect he will do better than that. :ok:

LJ

[500N]

I thought I recognised that name. He served in 21 SAS.

Julian comes from a military family, his dad was a Lt Col and his wife
is the daughter of a Brigadier !

[Wrathmonk]

^^^ That's the RAF and RN screwed then ;)

[airborne_artist]

Brazier and I served in the same squadron in 21 at the same time.

To say that he was well-liked would be untrue. To say that he was a good soldier would be even less true.

his dad was a Lt Col and his wife is the daughter of a Brigadier ! Quite why he was commissioned is a mystery :E

[500N]

AA

I was wondering if you were going to poke your head up :ok:


Tell me, considering this is not the first time you have and others
have mentioned someone wasn't a good soldier, how the hell they
pass the SAS Selection and onwards ???

[airborne_artist]

Selection selects, it does not train and it certainly does not graft likeability on where it does not exist.

Re-visit the text I quoted above for further insight :ok:

[Lima Juliet]

Just realised why you're an Artist, AA.

I must be a bit thick! :ugh:

[airborne_artist]

Just realised why you're an Artist, AA.

I must be a bit thick! :ugh:

Not at all, there are some people who will never get it :D

[500N]

Leon

Do keep up ;) :O



AA - I reckon it is a great name but not sure many know the link.

[airborne_artist]

On the other hand I also worked in uniform with Andrew Robathan who I rate highly. He had and still has a sense of humour, a genuine desire to serve as a politician and would easily pass the "would I like to share a pint with the guy" test. I'm sure most Ppruners would feel the same once they met him.

[Lima Juliet]

AA, I agree about AR, isn't it nice to see a Minister with a background that HMforces personnel can actually relate to - rather than some pen-sucking, rubber-necked, blotter-jotter with a PPE degree and a few years in a think-tank.

Here is AR inspecting the troops at a passing out parade:

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7435/bra10p15210outunclass07.jpg

500N - keeping up as well I can! :ok:

LJ

PS. Just noted that the Parade Cdr is sporting a very unfortunate moustache (or its a dark window sill!).

[500N]

Nice to see a Minister with medals.

[Lima Juliet]

From Total Politics magazine:

Andrew Robathan is a stickler for discipline and rules. He is every bit the military man and has endured his fair share of coming under fire, from the frontline in the House of Commons to the Gulf War.

The minister for defence personnel, welfare and veterans boasts an impressive CV of military experience. He studied at Sandhurst and Camberley before becoming an officer in the Coldstream Guards and the Special Air Service.

He also had a one-year stint working for BP before returning to the army as chief of staff of the Prisoner of War Guard Force for Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait in the First Gulf War.

Robathan was appointed a defence minister after the birth of the coalition government, and became the first MP with a military background to be placed in the post in the past 13 years.

As the minister responsible for veterans’ welfare, Robathan’s priorities have included tackling mental illness within the armed forces, literacy training and providing support for service families.

In a recent written answer, he announced that the Ministry of Defence and the Department of Health will be collaborating to improve mental healthcare provisions for serving and ex-service personnel and their families to help them understand mental illness.

This has included Enhanced Medical Health Assessments, which allow forces personnel with mental illnesses to access military mental-health facilities, a 24-hour helpline, a Veterans Information Service, and an online mental-health portal for the armed forces, called the Big White Wall.

Robathan also played a key role in overseeing the Armed Forces Bill last year, which called for the Military Covenant (the nation’s promise to look after troops in return for their services to the country) to be made law, and he also signed an agreement with the US to continue to support the armed forces, veterans and their families.

While in opposition, he also called on the government to bring changes to the UK’s voting laws to make it easier for serving troops to vote in general elections.

He once said: “I firmly believe the government didn’t want people in the armed forces voting because of the large numbers who wouldn’t vote Labour. The government dragged its heels deliberately.”


So, seeing as we have someone who seems to 'get' HMForces, and now with JB in post as well. Does this mean that the new SoS has the expertise in his Team to be able to do a better job?

I live in hope (although it would be nice to have a military-experienced person as SoS - it's a bit like having a non-economist as the Chancellor!).

LJ

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Estelle Morris does not count as a suitable teacher to act as Ed Sec. As a PE teacher and then Head of Sixth Form, she would have prepared a grand total of zero pupils for public exams (certainly not A levels,and she failed her own A levels also). About the only decent thing she did was admit she wasn't up to it.

She is now a Lord (!?) and has doctorates from any number of left wing Uni's that you've never heard of.

[500N]

and has doctorates from any number of left wing Uni's that you've never heard of. Honorary doctorates.

Which mean stuff all.

BTW, I counted 5 of them :rolleyes: which for someone who hasn't done
much in this world IMHO is a lot.


Lord, No, Baroness of Yardley.

[aw ditor]

I thought Yardleys made soap?

[GreenKnight121]

That's Health, Hygiene, and Sanitation sorted then.

:E