Dutch Airlines

[B77L]

Not sure to be in the right branch of PPRuNe, anyway, I'd need to gather some informations about Dutch airlines as for future working opportunities for low hours. If any student and/or pilot could have a quick chat with me about that, it would be great!

[sekmeth]

For a fo position dutch is a must, as for most of the captains position.
Klm hires only from their own fto.
Martinair will never hire anybofy again. Will be further integrated into KLM.
Transavia only klm academy, martinair academy or EPST (oxford).
Arkefly (tui) 737 or 767 rating with hours required. Ab initio only from a few dutch fto
Corendon dutch airlines require 737 rating with a few 1000 hours, or many formed airforce pilots. Only a few ab-initio but fluent dutch is a must.
Denimair acmi... Well who knows, downsizing the last couple of years they went bancrupt a few years ago. They are trying to grow with rumours of a few e190's

Forget the dutch airlines. Better try your luck in Germany

[P40Warhawk]

Dutch is indeed a must. If you can read and speak Dutch, then go to Airwork - Piloten Portal - Home (http://www.airwork.nl) . That is a Dutch forum for pilots.

[B77L]

Thanks for the informations.
I know Dutch is a must, I don't speak Dutch at all, however, I'll be working on it: I'm quite confident I'll be able to reach for a decent level and if I fail, well, I'm sure it'll have been a valuable working and life experience.
I also know they use to hire from KLS, Martinair, etc., that's why my question was about future working opportunities. In my country we have sort of a generational gap: even in the best scenario, there'll be no need for low hours for years. Not two years, but ten. I've read about a long KLS's cadets queue to join KLM, hence my concern. I'd just need to know if Dutch airlines are "dynamic" enough to ensure an opportunity to join after training, exactly what I can't get here in Italy.
As for Germany, I've already begun to learn German and I'm going to move to Hamburg in a few months, but I reckon the ratio between local people and working opportunities in the Netherlands is better.

Thanks to Climb360, too. That's what I needed to know. I didn't think the situation was that bad, honestly.

[Tom!]

but I reckon the ratio between local people and working opportunities in the Netherlands is better.
Not the case, forget about it. Plenty of Dutch fATPL's sitting at home... Even on the KLM/S waiting list .

[sekmeth]

The dutch market is very hard to get into. The airlines usually only hire from dutch integrated schools. Please dont make the mistake to do your training in the Netherlands.
Training fees start at around 110.000 euro. Save yourself the money and go to Germany, belgium, eastern Europe or wherever and save a few 1000 euro's.

[flaps35]

There is nothing at all in the Netherlands it is hopeless almost 1000 unemployed Pilots.Even the students from the KLM flight academy are unemployed and are waiting for years.

[Reverserbucket]

Come to the UK. BA and VS both have Dutchies flying for them.

[B77L]

Well, my plan is still to apply for BA, I'm just waiting and preparing myself for the next FPP's intake. But I can't rely on them only, that's why I have begun to study German. Anyway, I'm going to monitor the situation along the way.

Thanks again for all your help, it's been highly appreciated ;)