You Will Single engine Taxi or Else !!

[gardenshed]

Morning Chaps,

Being the diligent type, was just reviewing GABI for todays epic, and noticed that in the crew alerts it says something along the lines of "You will single Eng taxi in unless CCI's say otherwise" if you don't have to CSR the reasons why.
Came from SVP today.
Would SVP like to sign my tech log and carry the can for any incident that happens today as well.
We have all been naughty children and headmaster is not pleased, as his bonus might be affected.

[halas]

Compared to his "protect the hub" fuel tankering into DXB, what will this achieve? :confused:

halas

[Mr Good Cat]

:eek:

Wow, that's an extremely bold move.

It says in accordance with FCOM procedures, then goes on to say a CSR must be filed EVERY time you don't do single-engine taxi.

FCOM SP S.E. Taxi:

For operational environments such as uphill slope, soft asphalt,
high gross weights, congested ramp areas, specific airfield
restrictions, and wet/slippery ramps and taxiways, single engine
taxi is NOT recommended.

That pretty much precludes it's use in at least 50% of our ops, unless you choose to ignore the SP recommendations. Not sure how you then have a defence in court if it goes wrong.

So now we MUST file a CSR on at least c.50% of flights? Will this scare some of the weaker-minded into using SE taxi when not appropriate?

Interesting times ahead.

[Al Murdoch]

Just shut it down 30 secs before parking. Job done.

[BobDole]

Or wait 30 seconds before shutting down the other one. Problem solved. It's just a tick box. :E

[emratty]

The 380 I have shut down 2 engines once...in Dubai it's probably ok to do it at times but at out stations I will be filling a CSR every flight by the sounds of it!!:ugh:

[vfenext]

Better start carrying a supply of CSR's in my flight bag. The blank doc folder is going to run out fast.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

The notam states it is for data recording purposes. As inconvient as it sounds- may I suggest filling in the csrs instead of ticking the box and not shutting down one. Otherwise you will skew the stats and places where it clearly not good airmanship to to se Taxy eg Khartoum , will become expected by the company to do so.

[The Outlaw]

Consider the source....

When the company addresses 2-3 tonnes of fuel wastage in APU fuel burn for no other reason than laziness on the part of the ground crew, then I'll comply.

When we stop carrying ridiculous amounts of fuel to "protect the hub" for no sound reason, then I'll comply.

When we stop wasting fuel to make up 4 minutes on a flight by flying at M.87 so that 3 passengers can make their connection, then I'll comply

Otherwise its just another bit of comedy/calamity

Sounds like someone might have gotten some pressure from above...but I suppose he could always just leave if he doesn't like it here.

[fliion]

Not an issue but a bit sad I must say...just "play the game, play the game, the game"

What's the worst that can happen go and see the new "Fresh Prince of Gel Hair" Assnt to Deputy or whatever he's called...

...and thereafter shut one down 30 secs prior to other...thus fudging reality

These guys aren't very smart...

Yawn.

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[jack schidt]

I can't believe what I am hearing here. As there is no profit share anymore who cares about an economical operation and whining about the following.

Don't complain, ......that your life is made less stressful by carrying spare fuel on at least 50% of your flights (to protect the hub).

Don't complain that you have to fly fast so that you will be doing less airborne time when you are not getting paid more than block time anyway.

Don't complain about APU burn as the ground AC is poor anyway.

Don't complain about partial engine shutdown on taxi in as you should feel lucky it's not mandatory to single/twins 2/quads engine taxi out.

Just shut 1 or 2 down as the aircraft turns straight onto the stand, you still have momentum, no more turning and no CSR to fill in.

[Rim-job]

I couldn't agree more with Jack Schidt...

Keep it simple boys... And stop getting your panties all tied up in knot over small things such as this memo.

[CaptainChipotle]

Exactly. Keep it simple stupid. KISS…

[bvcu]

cant see where the fuel saving will be on a GE powered 777 if you follow the correct procedures ! Anything above idle needs 3 min cooldown, so if on single engine taxi you've got to nudge above idle...........

[Andy24]

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[ironbutt57]

the whole of "B" ramp was/is prohibited for single engine taxi in DXB..

[BLOGGSON]

I'm still not doing it. I'll fill out the CSR every time and just quote one of the reasons for not doing it given in the manuals. We have enough time to fill it out when you consider how long it takes the fecking CC to tidy up the cabin after pax disembarkation.

[motojet]

ironbutt57

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the whole of "B" ramp was/is prohibited for single engine taxi in DXB..


Actually only B18 thru B21 is prohibited for SE taxi. The AOI says the entire B ramp is prohibited but the CCI says the statement in the AOI pages do not apply to EK and we are allowed to SE taxi except for B18 thru B21. Not that thats confusing or easy to miss.

[Mach_Krit]

still, most parking gates are reached under 3 minutes for GE cooling time...just fill in the CSR and swamp them in paper...keeps them too busy to come up with other senseless ideas.

[CaptainChipotle]

Guys this will all benefit us come May.

:ugh::ouch:

[kingpost]

Back off guys, B19 is my bay!!

Just write a CSR and make reference to FCOM requirements!!

[glofish]

Put your handbags back into the cupboard ladies!!

Just tick the box that you actually did such a stint. Who will want to check us on that? The administrative and controlling work outweighs the potential gain of two more blokes shutting down a donkey for 10" more by a factor 10.
When someone contacts you on that matter, just pretend it was a mistake, that you will never show such criminal behaviour again and everybody is happy in the Costa.

Silly posts deserve silly reactions. :yuk:

[The Outlaw]

The CCI pages are not binding, legal or updated, they amount to nothing more than a shopping or Christmas wish list. They will not hold up in a court of law, however the AOI via LIDO will and this is what the company will cower behind when the operating captain kills someone with jet blast.

Stick with what is written via a legal avenue and THEN apply your common sense, airmanship and experience when AND IF you make the decision to reduce your thrust by half (or increase the amount needed by 2).

You will notice the SVP did not change the policy via the an FCI which is the legal route...he is not dumb enough to expose himself to be liable from a legal point of view.

[Praise Jebus]

Moto CCI's are an EK doc, you may not be aware that Iron Ass is not EK.

[mini cooper]

I read this (ridiculous) company notam a different way maybe - they just don't want people putting "operational" under the reason for not SE taxiing. I will therefore just write in the reason for not doing with reference to FCOM requirements - simples!

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

Its really quite simple. You shutdown one (or two if u have 4) 1' or 1 metre before you stop, your choice. I've done that many times, and it will comply with the Co-Notam. No paperwork, nada.
Keep it simple habibis.

Now, did you hear about the latest gossip our erstwhile Deputy chief 777 Trainer. This guy is seriously teflon coated.

SyB :zzz:

[FLEX/MCT]

How amusing...all those psychometric tests, group exercises, sim scenarios etc we go through during recruitment to prove our decision making and leadership yet the company does everything in its power to remove our ability to make any such decisions...

From my point of view on the A330 everybody I have flown with seems to have a practical and sensible outlook on SE taxi - if it's worthwhile we do it! But then again I have been writing "operational" on the back of VRs when we don't do it...:=

[fliion]

Bootyshake...

Tell, tell...

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[Dropp the Pilot]

Where we he begin? Bandwidth would be limiting.

[Visual Procedures]

Chocked on last night and reached for the blank forms folder to fill out my mandatory CSR for not single-engine taxiing due to operational reasons (short taxi).. Second boat in 3 days with no CSR forms left :ok:

[HighLow]

VP,
do not fret ! all is not lost !

just file an AS"R" for the lack of CS"R",
so to repeat what information is written on the V"R";
OR, await for new forms to be delivered before pushback, and then file a CD"R"
failing that, collect the CS"R" from the office after work, fill it out, crosscheck it matches with the V"R" ,....
and then last but not least, the completion of the Fatigue "R" ....

what were we talking about again?

:ugh:

[springbok449]

But this is the whole point you don't need to fill in a CSR for short taxi-in as it's a FCOM Supplementary Procedure and not an operation reason.

So on the VR write down 2 engine taxi due to FCOM SP 1.24 or whatever it is instead of operational and then there is no requirement to fill in a CSR...

Or I have totally mis-read the note and need to get my coat?

[ItsMeFromEarth]

Hi
The engines need to run 3 minutes at Idle, before shut down, for engine oil consideration.
Then I assume that Airmanship will suggest that you would have to stop to shut down one engine down, to make sure that brakes, Hyd, and Electrical are correctly configured for taxi, review ECAM or EICAS, then Taxi.

[sleeve of wizard]

Running the engines for 3 minutes at idle is a recommendation only, not a limitation.
Don't get me wrong i'm not advocating 1 eng taxi inside of 3 minutes.:{

[Visual Procedures]

Highlow,

I think I've decided a 'CHFR' is required due to the stress induced after the conundrum of whether I should 'ASR' the lack of 'CSR'. :}

Unfortunately my taxi in took 4 minutes so operationally I decided I was too fatigued to send myself asymmetric whilst on final to the stand.. Guess I will have to do the 'FRMS R' too.. :rolleyes:

[fliion]

Oh Shucks...I've been filing the wrong CSR report per OMA

"11.6.4.1 Confidential Safety Report (CSR) For air crew (Flight Crew and Cabin Crew), the confidential reporting system is provided through the paper-based Confidential Safety Report System. All Confidential Safety Reports are de-identified by a nominated facilitator (who is not a member of the management team) and who is the only person who can identify the reporter.

Please refer to the SMS Manual and the GSPM for further details of the Confidential Reporting System."

Now I need to find out WTF is the SMS & GSPM ... Back in in a sec..

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[120feet]

Does a Company Notam have priority over your OM-A. Usually most companies list a pecking order for such publications. Also, a Captains Special Report does not sound like the right way to send this type of information. Usually this type of report is listed as something that should be done not must be done. I would be surprised if the EK OM-A listed CSRs as required.

[Gulf News]

I see the Company NOTAM has been reviewed and now states that the reason for not complying should be written on the VR. Either the feedback worked or the mountain of CSRs that needed processing caused a rethink. Why don't the people who write these things think a bit before publishing them.

If a trainer makes more than four mistakes in a year with the extremely user unfriendly OGS he gets assigned a day long report writing course for his sins. What happens to the people who put out this garbage and have to subsequently retract or amend it?

No answer required it was a rhetorical question.

[glofish]

What happens to the people who put out this garbage and have to subsequently retract or amend it?

1. a promotion according to the Peter's principle
2. a double bonus plus triple profit share
3. a Nadjim award
4. or a lifelong guarantee of staying where he f@rts, whatever he messes up
5. a fidelity card of the Costas next door